Punch your local Tea Bagger! here's a copy of the Senate Bill for Health care reform.

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11/23/2009 Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:

After having surprising conversatrions with relatives in the medical field and one with a Fox affected friend. I have found it necessary to read this thing to combat the nonsense.

I think those in favor of this bill need to mobilize more effectively against those who oppose the bill.

enjoy the reading:

http://help.senate.gov...

BTW, I just checked the link it works

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11/23/2009 Rachel "This is an outrage!" H. says:
Doesn't work for me. It leads to a PDF which, when downloaded, won't open.
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11/23/2009 John "Shadowrider" H. says:
worked for me.
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11/23/2009 Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Rachel---maybe something in your antispyware
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11/23/2009 J H. says:
Opens for me...and ugh....too many words
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11/23/2009 Denise J. says:
Spanky, you need to do some research, it's about 600 pages, H.R. 3590, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is 2,074 pages (Gotcha!, winks, in the spirit of 1776...)

Donkey link:http://democrats.senat...

Elephant link:http://www.foxnews.com...
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11/23/2009 Denise J. says:
Both links work! I posted them last night on my string at about 1 am, 13 hrs.

Just for the record, I'm not a tea bagger or a Republican because I just have way to much fun ripping up the PC's on Yelp...:) Just kidding! Can't take a joke? ;O :)
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11/23/2009 Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Hi Denise...last I checked its the Senate website.. Perhaps its a concise version.. IIll read your version. Is your version the Senate verison or an old house version?
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11/23/2009 Joe "Father MC" G. says:
Denise J. says:

Both links work! I posted them last night on my string at about 1 am, 13 hrs.

Just for the record, I'm not a tea bagger or a Republican because I just have way to much fun ripping up the PC's on Yelp...:) Just kidding! Can't take a joke? ;O :)
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Yet you only criticise the democrats and other liberals. Totally makes sense.
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11/23/2009 Denise J. says:
No, Joe, I criticize neo-conservatives too, buy you haven't been paying attention because your too busy calling out the "R" word and the "C" word...But there's really very few, if any neo-cons on Yelp....

Spanky, it's the Senate version, Reid's bill. You make a good point, there's several versions, mine is the latest, so we're both right!:)
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11/23/2009 Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
HI Denise...Do you mind letting me know what your concerns are with the bill.. Feel free to PM me to avoid the flaming. As I am generally curious about this and about your concerns.
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11/23/2009 Denise J. says:
Sorry, Spamy, but I already expressed my concerns numberous times, I basically just wanted to give people the bill "to look at" (actually got link at 1:00 or 1 am)

I will say this thought, 'main bone of contention in many people's minds is where the funding is coming from..death panels, eugenics, patient rationing are all potential issues but WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE BILL

Will it be Medicare recipents, will the middle class have their taxes greatly raised? Will people with don't want insurance be penalized and have to pay huge taxes in order to fund those who want it? Will everyone's taxes be raised, and will we pay 60% in taxes to fund national healthcare....see where I'm going on this..the main issue is FUNDING, WHO PAYS, AND DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A RECESSION...I'll just leave those questions I already debated plenty on this issue...later...
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11/23/2009 G "let's find a treatment for Huntington's Disease!" H. says:
And don't forget -- Obama is buying these votes, as did Pelosi and as will Reid. What will be the cost when they have to pay off?
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11/23/2009 Tom "Snubbed for the fifth year running" R. says:
Denise J. says:

Just for the record, I'm not a tea bagger or a Republican because I just have way to much fun ripping up the PC's on Yelp
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But you are a "birther" which makes you dumber than both put together.
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11/23/2009 Joe "Father MC" G. says:
Yep the birther movement...quite a lot of intellectuals there

http://www.gazette.com...
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11/23/2009 Denise J. says:
So Tom and Joe, you can't say where the funding is coming from. so you bring up the birther issues. Well, at least it's different than you guys bringing up food and bowel movements, so I give you two credit for thata, a little variety for a change..you PC's just so bore me sometimes...

So what does the possibility of Obama not being a citizen have to do with the problems of funding a 2.5 trillion dollar health care bill. Who's gonna pay for it, will it be us? How will it be funded at all in times of the recession?

If your still interested in the birther issue, go to http://www.obamacrimes..., Philip Berg, a lifelong Democrat, 9-11 truther and NAACP member is the only "birther" I back..Orly Taitz is a fraud, so was that birth certificate she posted...

Will our taxes double to pay for the bill? Death panels, patient rationing, eugenics, etc. are all just potential "icing on the cake". Do you want to pay 60% of our income to fund healthcare...

have fun, kiddies....
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11/23/2009 Joe "Father MC" G. says:
Why do you call people a computer? Are you a MAC? it's all about the pentiums btw.
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11/23/2009 G "the Thread Killa" L. says:
1 hour ago Spanky "Keeping it real" M. says:

HI Denise...Do you mind letting me know what your concerns are with the bill.. Feel free to PM me to avoid the flaming. As I am generally curious about this and about your concerns.
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dude you don't know what you just opened yourself up to
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Denise... That is a valid question for which none of us could have an answer to, thus making it rhetorical. The question of where we are going to get the money is not as important as who will the bill impact and will it lead to the greater good of American society as a whole. I don't think that providing life saving health care is an argument anyone would want to stand against. For you and others I hear it is a money issue. Given the fact that we went head first into a war that has cost this country more than the proposed health care bill I don't think we need to worry about where the money will come from, we didn't worry about spending money to kill people in the name of freedom but we seem to be spendthrift when we try to save people in the name of equality and civil rights.

If the bill passes and they tax me more so the ditchdiggers, toilet cleaners, and
Necessary crap job doers have health care and as a result are sick less and thus more productive ( even Ann Coulter wouldn't disagree with that hypothetical casual chain) then I all for it.

I'm not sure what else can be really said except that unless anyone of us is balancing Americas books then we can't argue the money issue unless the taxation is without benefit and in this case i don't think is is.
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Spanky wrote: "The question of where we are going to get the money is not as important ..."
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Really? That doesn't sound very adult, or mature. Or fiscally sound. And not prudent.

We're $12 Trillion in debt ... do you know that?

Do you know that we have another $90 Trillion in "unfunded mandates"?

Since money doesn't matter to you... will you accept working until 70 or 72 year old, to pay for all of these social programs? (aka unfunded mandates)??
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
I don't see how anyone can sleep with themselves knowing that they are handing a newborn baby a $300,000 debt. Inter-generational theft.

And now the Democrats want to incease that debt...???
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11/23/2009 Tom "Snubbed for the fifth year running" R. says:
Denise J. says:

So what does the possibility of Obama not being a citizen have to do with the problems of funding a 2.5 trillion dollar health care bill.
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The fact that you believe this nonesense makes you a crank and someone with nothing to add.

It's like discussing quantum physics with someone that believes in elves.
11/23/2009 Cliff B. says:
Who's going to pay for the health care package? The answer is all of us tax paying citizens and businesses. Based on what I have read, it is correct that the "rich" will pay more....much more salary percentage wise than a person making minimum wage. There are other factors involved with that equation, though. I believe it is also true that health panels may decide right to care for many patients but that is basically what is done now with insurance companies. I'm not happy with this bill for the reason that it does not address what I think is the real problem with health care and that is people make money off other peoples misery. Health Care is a money making business and I think that is wrong. Take the profit out of health care!
11/23/2009 Vince A. says:
the lawyers will continue to make their hefty profits. unless i'm wrong and the bill strongly adresses tort reform. john edwards would be pissed though.
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11/23/2009 Paul L. says:
"The question of where we are going to get the money is not as important as who will the bill impact and will it lead to the greater good of American society as a whole."
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This is a mere difference of opinion between preferences of priority. Many people out there are very concerned about the skyrocketing deficits that poses extreme risks to our currency, inflation and long term dependency towards foreign creditors that can't always finance the imbalance and instability of our current policies. As it is right now Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are leading our country into bankruptcy and yet it makes no sense to expand two of our three achilles heels. Unemployment continues to grow. Home defaults on loans will continue as the ARM's rates began adjusting upward... continuing to dump more tax money into a skyrocketing deficit will only lead eventually to a plunge in standards of living for Americans and towards a slow growth in normal economic stability. More harm than good is being accomplished with policy at hand.

Just because one prefers a preference towards lowering our risky growing deficit does not mean that they are against bringing more health care to the uninsured....they just simply believe in a different reform policy that does the job without hurting the US in the long run. France's system is simply unsustainable despite doctors and pharmaceuticals being significantly cheap and despite the 60% income tax. How is this "public option" system pragmatically sustainable with our doctors' costs, pharmaceuticals costs, technology advancement in costs, medicals school costs, medical research costs, immigration costs, not to mention waning economy, etc....the list just shows the obvious. If you want the eventual 60% income taxes and desire doctors to get paid 40% less than that is your preference but there other ways to help this problem without dumping the burden on children's tax dollars.
11/23/2009 Cliff B. says:
I thought Chris Mathews on Hardball made an excellent point last week. He said it's funny how Democrats are the only party that introduce universal health care legislation and everytime they do it the Republicans try to shoot it down yet offer no viable alternative to the health legislation. When Republicans get into the oval office they never introduce any substantial health care reform. They don't even talk about it. Only the Democratic Party tries to introduce this type of legislation. Why is that?
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Paul you makes a good point about medicaide but those issues are beyond deficient issues. Those problems stem from the fact that the babes boomers are againg and their are not enough working folks to support them. Japan is dealing with this poblem right now.
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Paul BTW your apocraphyl hypothetical casual chain is fantastical! Others make a good point. If this is not the solution then what is? We need to change the paradigm in US healthcare. I don't think it is so wrong that doctors wages are cut so that they can only afford one home and one vacation home and one Mercedes. While the Hippocratic oath does not stipulate pay it does say that a doctor is obligated to help any human being in need without regard to payment. All prices must come down for this plan to work, and I do make a ton of money and no I don't mind paying more than the 40% in taxes I am paying now to keep my minions working more and being sick less.

Also all the red herring arguments about Obama's nationality, immigration, unemployment, and the like are kind of getting old ( Please enough GB diatribe). If anything the bill is especially important to the unemployed as it would benefit them the most.
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Spanky, are you up for a year wait, like in Canada, to see a doctor?

And another year for a needed operation?

Plus rationing?

What we need is more Free Market, more competition ... which is what Obama voted against as a Senator.
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Cliff wrote: 'I thought Chris Mathews on Hardball made an excellent point last week. He said it's funny how Democrats are the only party that introduce universal health care legislation and everytime they do it the Republicans try to shoot it down yet offer no viable alternative to the health legislation. ..."
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This is a lie the Left always trots out.

Dr. Tom Coburn has a plan... as does Bobby Jindahl ... as do many others.

Dems cut the GOP out of the discussion in March.
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Cliff, should we take the profit out of food?

Paul / Cliff / others: are you willing to work until you are 70, or 72 years old, to pay for Social Security, Medicaid, Medical, etc.??? Cause we had a surplus for 30, 40 years... and we didn't save a friggin penny!@!!!

And yes, a retirement age of 70 has been spoken about by serious people as a way to solve a big chunk of our "unfunded mandates".
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Mark- I believe you are missing the point of my question and have dedunetly missed the mark on my post. BUT to reply. You are saying that human life has a number, a number that is tangible and a number that you reject because "we can't afford it". You slept just fine as we dug our selves deeper in debt with two wars an unprecednetes tax cuts to the Americas top 10% war earners. Where where you when the the two wars started. I could of told you that was a bad idea financially but I don't see you saying it was immature to spend the money there while significantly cutting funds that supports Americas transportation structure, higher education funding, and general future of our interior.

Also where are you getting your numbers, so I may reference them. Please don't say GB. I believe we are currently only 9 trillion in debt much of which was inherited by the precious admin. Funny you don't mention that part. Taxes will increase this is a fact of life, how do you want to spend that tax increase saving lives or taking them?
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Prcecious= previous
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Stupid iPhone. Arghhhhh
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11/23/2009 John "Shadowrider" H. says:
Just for the record, I'm not a tea bagger or a Republican because I just have way to much fun ripping up the PC's on Yelp...:) Just kidding! Can't take a joke? ;O :)
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LOL, yet again, it's all in that empty shell of a head you have. You are a JOKE! No one hear feels like you can " rip " us. Your a fool, and again, and again you keep proving that point.

Blaa, blaa, crazy D is in da house!
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Spanky, here is a GREAT website ... and yes, it's $12 Trillion... you must be using the pre-Obama number? *grin*

http://www.usdebtclock.../

Most cogent to me is the:

- upper left, in red

- bottom right numbers, which show out TOTAL debt, when you add in SS, M, and M
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11/23/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Spanky: only if we have multiple plans to compare to each other, can we get the most EFFICIENT use of our tax dollars!!

And when we are EFFICIENT, we can buy more goods, better goods, for a cheaper price. Eh?

Like Ross Perot suggested... and myself ... and even Glenn Beck... why not have 1 state use ObamaCare, and 1 state use a free market system, run em for 4 years, and see which one does a better job???
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Mark- what was Jindals plan?
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
BTW, where's the website link?
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Never mind I see it
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11/23/2009 John "Shadowrider" H. says:
Funny part is, the debt was there with Bush in office and he helped it grow. But you come on and make it out to be Obama's fault. As per Rep and right side thinking....... it's always not there fault.
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Being somewat apart of the tax dollar usage process I can assure the amount of paperwork I have to fillout ensures efficient use of the money
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
John- yea i made that point but they seemed to ignore that ugly truth
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11/23/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Mark- hmm comparing a system that has been running for 30+ years to a system that is brand new. That would be fair! I think we can agree that would be like comparing apples and oranges
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11/23/2009 Paul L. says:
"Paul you makes a good point about medicaide but those issues are beyond deficient issues."
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The baby boom problem is a big reason why Medicaid and Medicare as it is currently diving towards unsustainability. Expanding them both isn't a smart one.

"Paul BTW your apocraphyl hypothetical casual chain is fantastical!"
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Its good to look at policies not merely from the micro-view, especially when your talking about long-term effects.When making a point regarding the risks of deficits, macro-economics is inevitable. Despite your assumptions, the public option isn't the end-all-be-all cure of universal healthcare....especially when according to CBO, 18-24 million will still be uninsured, depending on which bill is instated.

If your talking about arbitrarily slicing the doctor's salary by 30-40% then you have to look at changing the whole fabric of how medical schools, universities and public funding towards tuition currently operate. Incentives to go to 7-8 years of post-grad med school while spending or owing 200,000 in student loans will be deemed as ridiculous. Post-grad work is financed publicly in France and Britain yet also a big factor for the unsustainability. You have to look at transforming how malpractice effects costs and how our current system doesn't just allow doctors salaries to take that big of hit without changing the current foundations for how our country has been operating for years. You have to look at how even high rates in taxes in European models doesn't keep up with the expenditures on pension programs, govt services, public university systems, and universal health care.... the growing numbers of those paying taxes can't keep up with the growing numbers of those who retire and living longer through expensive health issues. This is the reason why the trend for Europe for the past 20 years is the development of more privitization of healthcare.
We can change the paradigm of our current healthcare without adopting a policy that resemble expanding on the failed and unsustainable policies of medicare and medicaid. The current uninsured gap resides among those of the middle class. Those of lower class have access through medicaid. Millions are thoseof the lower class who aren't insured lack the information tools on applying through medicaid and the average middle class uninsured earns about $65,000 a year. Almost 40% of those(whether it is the lower class or middle class) can qualify or afford to buy healthcare. So this brings the bubble estimate down to an amount that is about 25-28 million americans who really cannot afford insurance. Hundreds of Billions of tax dollars once used on Medicare/Medicaid waste could be used to fund a tax HSA fund for those that are truly uninsured and high risk. Cuts should be made from tax exemptions to add more billions of dollars to tax credits on those that can't afford insurance or are high risk.
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11/23/2009 Poe "stupid hairy bitch" T. says:
I don't wan to punch a teabagger and it would be nice if nobody else did either.
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11/23/2009 Paul L. says:
Beyond this would be measures to help reduce costs and help make the funding of HSA tax-credit funds more available.

By making insurance mandatory there is an elimination of risk of emergency accidents from those who don't have insurance and thus drive up the costs. Those who qualify for Medicaid will get under a plan while those who can't afford a policy will qualify for tax credit HSA fund that is rainy day fund federal fund for these certain cases.

Another step will be to replace a single comprehensive policy with two policies that cover services that are applicable to everyone. One policy will be for a private plan (maternal care, infant care, and immunizations) and one for catastrophic costs. This will reduce premiums by eliminating the charges in a comprehensive policy for services that most people cannot use. A public health policy will primarily benefit the young and a catastrophic policy will mostly benefit the old so this is a balanced combination.

Another step will be to mandate that individuals rather than employers will be responsible for purchasing a policy. Ownership allows individuals to benefit from any savings that they are able to achieve. Payment should be through payroll deduction.

Another big step will be to mandate deductibles and co-pays to discourage care of marginal value. We have proof that a deductible causes individuals to use fewer services. A major insurer will reduce the cost of an individually purchased comprehensive family policy from $10,500 plus co-pays to $7,200 with no co-pays if there is a $3,000 deductible. While the public dislikes deductibles, they do not cause individuals to pay any more than they would otherwise. They shift the premium from the comprehensive policy where it is non-refundable to the patient's control where there is an incentive to avoid spending it. As previously mentioned, the deductible should not apply to public health since this should never be discouraged, is unlikely to be overused, and will be used by all individuals. Non-public health costs should be subject to both a deductible and high co-pays in order to increase the individual's incentive to keep utilization to a minimum.

Most cost-controls could occur with malpractice-tort reform which would save billions each year. Government needs to set up more regulatory systems on private insurance practices to avoid the current bad trends. Preventative care could be emphasized to lower long-term health risks, Health information could be more accessible to allow more preventative independent measures for healthy lifestyles, slowing the rate of technology and useless expensive technology, and government caps on certain pharmaceutical costs could bring healthcare affordable. Medicare and Medicaid need to be reorganized to be more efficient and less expensive. All of these changes can occur without adding costs and by insuring the high risk and non-insured.
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11/23/2009 Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Mark- I just looked it up while the TOtal debt is 12 Trillion, Obama started wiith over 10 Trillion from the previous admin's policies.

Paul Ill get back to you. YOu have a lot of hypothetical numbers. Unless you are an economist I'm not sure how to qualify what you just said.
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11/23/2009 Paul L. says:
Paul Ill get back to you. YOu have a lot of hypothetical numbers. Unless you are an economist I'm not sure how to qualify what you just said
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Just making the simple point that your public option isn't the end-all be-all solution to the current healthcare problem.

BTW: Im a little confused where you got the Obama's nationality red herring from. I've never advocated that.
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11/24/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Spanky: google is your friend.

Spanky 2: Bush didn't create $10 Trillion in debt.
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11/24/2009 Bill "I'm banned! They really, finally did it." R. says:
I'm too lazy to read the Senate one. Do the congress get their own plan apart from the public option?
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11/24/2009 Denise J. says:
Of course they do Bill R., they have the money for any additional private insurance they want....
11/25/2009 Buick A. says:
When something other than stabing or shot happens to you whare do you want to go?............Highland hos or Kaiser,or Eden med center? Health passes and it all turns to Highland
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11/25/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Holy crap, Im at the IL DMV and one of workers spent my entire time at the counter telling me how Obama was ruining the country . Same GB crap I keep hearing.
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11/25/2009 Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:
Buick: deep.
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Mark: deep
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11/27/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Joe "Father MC" G. says:
DP?
11/27/2009 Hrundi B. says:
has Mark A(nal) ever tried anal?
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11/27/2009 buick "hotrodrivi" r. says:

Its actually a good thing your boy obama is pres. The likley hood of a terrist attack is greater.And targets are likley to be big cities on the left or right coast. And since lefty commies fachists are attracted to each other and tend to gather like roaches in these big cities on the coast. That means more of you idiots are likely to become victims of a terrorist attack.
Isnt it ironic though that the people who step up to fight for all of us tend to be on the right.
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11/28/2009 David P. says:
Nice cut and paste job - how many threads are you going to repeat that same post in?
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11/28/2009 Diana "Professional" H. says:
Is it wrong that I want to read that, but I have a book to read for my history class that will take just as much time to finish?
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11/28/2009 Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Buick- Actually I think your statement may be incorrect. While I am sure there are right wing minded soldiers, i doubt all of them are and if a majority of them are is hard to say unless you are able to see voter registration records. However, I would imagine that many hard right wing warhawks are also card carrying NRA members.
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11/28/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Joe "Father MC" G. says:
Super rich into poverty? Wow. Now that's some power. Tell me when that happens Phil.
11/29/2009 Buick A. says:
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11/29/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Joe "Father MC" G. says:
Put it In your mouth!
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Philip +100 %
2010 vote current CA congress out,
Is it true they are working on simulated engine audio for hybreds since they are so quiet you might not here them till its too late?
If so this could lead to rather hillarous sounding cars...
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12/1/2009 Theron "Gluten Free" L. says:
You know, I have two elderly parents and let me just say to you that there is no way in hell our government no matter how good it's intentions can do nearly as good of a job as the current health care system and the insurance companies running it when it comes to death panels, eugenics or patient rationing. Trust me, they are way more effective than the government can ever be when it comes to sacrificing the well being of the patients for the bottom line, and who want's good care when you're old, dying, or really sick anyway?

As for the current health bill it beats everything I've seen from any of the previous administrations and I've been waiting so long for this I don't even care where the money comes from. Just pass the damn thing already and we'll sign away our liberties and sell our first born sons to China to raise the money.

Sorry to anyone opposed to the current bill, but president Clinton ran and won on a platform of universal health care and reform in 1992 and if you're political organization can't come up with a bill to answer that call in 17 years nothing you say will convince me that you have a better solution. Send me your health reform and/or universal health care bills that were vetoed or filibustered in the past and I'll happily change my tune.
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12/1/2009 John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:
get a job to help make this country better
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12/1/2009 John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:
Denise J. can't read she missed the important points.
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12/1/2009 John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:
PHILIP "The Toyota / Scion Master - EZEnergySaver Master" A. says:

You should be punching the Federal Reserve and those politicians of BOTh parties who pressured them into inflating the US money supply beyond belief:

http://inflation.us/vi...

New must see documentary on the collapse of the U.S. dollar!
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if u put in in saving and stop using it will go up
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12/1/2009 John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:
John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:

Denise J. can't read she missed the important points.
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she should learn how to take notes when doing research.
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12/1/2009 John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:
Mark "don't Cry for me Arrrrr-gentina" A. says:

Spanky: google is your friend.

Spanky 2: Bush didn't create $10 Trillion in debt.
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he started the debt.
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12/1/2009 John "I will pull your pants down" F. says:
majority of the Americans need this bill
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12/1/2009 from Yelp for iPhone Spanky "RJ Burger" M. says:
Actually there's a goverment website that shows who created the debt and when. Come in Mark I thought you were smarter Than just trusting whatever google spits at you.