Conservatives on Yelp Talk

05/09/2008 vuForce Fresh "sMedium" x. says:

look Bud... [haha, that's kinda funny to say]

i just went to my first DYL last wknd, it was a blast.  i had drinks with folks i haven't been kind to [and vice versa].  don't worry, no one is really as tough in real life as they seem here.

long live e-thugs.

05/09/2008 Justin M. says:

You forgot pro-pollution.

05/09/2008 Kevin "Is Filled with Angst, Contempt, Booze, and Trivia" H. says:

Bud, I think the problem isn't what people believe, but rather when they bring up (or become involved in) topics just so they can wear those beliefs on their sleeves.  Yelp's a pretty diverse group.  Yeah, it's more liberal than conservative overall, but I think the problem arises when someone resorts to talking points and lashing out over identity or discussion in order to stagnate any progress on a topic with which they feel uncomfortable, and that's a problem regardless of political affiliation.

I couldn't forgive you for being a conservative drinker however.  I'm sorry.

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

Matt H. is pro-Bush and he organizes DYLs.

05/09/2008 Alan S. says:

Sure. Why not?

05/09/2008 Brenda Kaye "B.K. Whopper" W. says:

Bud, the main thing that matters to me is whether someone is respectful.  Disrespectful people who believe the same things I do actually annoy me far more than someone who is on the opposite end of the political spectrum but is respectful of others' beliefs.  Does that make sense?

Oh, and I'm a conservative drinker.  Please forgive me, Kevin.

05/09/2008 Perci N. says:

"republican, a conservative, a church-going christian, a conservative drinker, a non-smoker, an anti-marijuana proponent, and pro-military involvement in the middle east"

lotsa these on yelp. nowhere near the majority, but there still are...

05/09/2008 Kevin "Is Filled with Angst, Contempt, Booze, and Trivia" H. says:

You're dead to me, BK!

05/09/2008 vuForce Fresh "sMedium" x. says:

look bud,

just don't show up at DYL wearing a confederate flag.  you're fine.  [and what brenda said.  respect is a good thing]

05/09/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

Bud, that list describes a lot of people I have known and many of my inlaws. Of course I would befriend someone with different beliefs and views than mine.

05/09/2008 Russell "The Soulless and Inhumane One" P. says:

What about a Republican that could probably drink you under the table (i.e. me)?

05/09/2008 Chris C. says:

Bud don't believe them!

It's a trick and a ploy.  They lure conservatives and republicans in with free booze, sex, and all sorts of debauchery and then when they have you there, they capture you and rip out your black conservative heart and sacrifice it their dark liberal pagan gods...

05/09/2008 m'ia "|-_-| Yes, I love Natto" k. says:

I dunno, but i was ENTERTAINED when John McCain suggested that his running mate be "DWIGHT SHRUTE" on Jon Stewart a few nights ago.

Kind of game me a new glimpse at the ol' guy.

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

I KNEW the conservative drinker statement would get some folks riled up.  I was just being inflammatory!

While ya'll were offering interesting and intelligent answers to my query, I was fending off a teenager who challenges every f'ing belief I hold and takes no prisoners when I try to defend my beliefs.

OK, so no confederate flags.  Not even on the roof of my car?
Respectful, but of a differing opinion, acceptable.
Perci, I didn't know.  I didn't know.
As far as Matt H being pro-Bush, are you sure you're not nice to him just because he creates drinking opportunities for you?

And I'm still keeping this hypothetical 'cause I'm not ready to come out of my closet!

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

m'ia "|-_-| Yes, I love Natto" k. says:

I dunno, but i was ENTERTAINED when John McCain suggested that his running mate be "DWIGHT SHRUTE" on Jon Stewart a few nights ago.

Kind of game me a new glimpse at the ol' guy.
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Yeah, it shows spirit when republican politicians attempt to be funny. I mean, I might have cracked a smile if I had just smoked a joint--that's a major achievement.

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

Chris C. says:

Bud don't believe them!

It's a trick and a ploy.  They lure conservatives and republicans in with free booze, sex, and all sorts of debauchery and then when they have you there, they capture you and rip out your black conservative heart and sacrifice it their dark liberal pagan gods...
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Thanks, Chris.  Just in time.  I was starting to believe them.   I really like your answer!

05/09/2008 Elizabeth "Don't need Yelp to know I'm useful, funny and cool" G. says:

oh, I love me some Dwight Schrute....

Do you have a collage of pictures of Ronald Reagan on your wall?  I know someone that does....and I still like him even.

05/09/2008 Brenda Kaye "B.K. Whopper" W. says:

No confederate flag on the roof of your car!  I think it's quite enough that you have that gun rack up there.

05/09/2008 m'ia "|-_-| Yes, I love Natto" k. says:

I was kind of entertained, for a second there. I mean, it's pretty cool that the ol' fuddy duddy even watches 'the office'!

You mention:
a republican,
a conservative,  
a church-going christian,
a conservative drinker,
a non-smoker,
an anti-marijuana proponent,
pro-military involvement in the middle east,

Those are seven factors. I'd venture to say that quite a few of us fall into at least a few of those, just so you know.
Thankfully, this isn't a political blog site, so hurray.

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

So what I'm hearing right now is that as viscious and unforgiving as this seemingly liberal medium appears, when it comes down to face to face, flesh near flesh, it's actually a truly tolerant group.  For the most part.  Usually.

05/09/2008 John X. says:

I would totally friend someone like that. I have some extremely conservative friends. We don't necessarily align in values and what we think we need to do to keep our society happy, but we love each other because we can laugh together and understand each other, different views and all.

05/09/2008 Beau "Welcome to The Fail" G. says:

I support Cthulhu for President ("Why Settle For The Lesser Evil") and I'm welcome.

05/09/2008 Kenny "The Gambler" R. says:

What's passing for "conservative" these days?

05/09/2008 John X. says:

Almost. Sometimes. Maybe. With exceptions. Few, though.

05/09/2008 Janney "smarter then she looks" B. says:

a republican,
a conservative,  
a church-going christian,
a conservative drinker,
a non-smoker,
an anti-marijuana proponent,
pro-military involvement in the middle east,
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I'm five of these, and feel pretty darn accepted :o)

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

Brenda, you're right, I would rather have the nice rack in my truck than the flag on the roof.

Mia, Actually, these views have been pleasantly enlightening.  I'm seeing this group in a slightly different light than prior to asking the question!

John, does the W stand for Wayne?  You reminded me of a friend of mine; we're friends that are politically polar opposites; we don't talk politics, we just do stuff together in friendship.

05/09/2008 Beau "Welcome to The Fail" G. says:

As long as you don't come in condemning us as godless sodomites, even though some of us are godless and/or sodomites, you should be ok.

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

But Beau, I always enter a room screaming "Be gone, you Godless Sodomites!"  How else would one enter a room.

Janney, I never would have guessed.  You see,  Yelp Talkers are full of surprises for me.  This is fun; getting to know "you".

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

a republican, no
a conservative,  .5
a church-going christian, .5
a conservative drinker, 1
a non-smoker, 1
an anti-marijuana proponent, .5
pro-military involvement in the middle east, 0

So 2.5 for me. But Yelp talk isn't much indication of Yelp real life, which is much much coooler.

05/09/2008 John X. says:

Bud, no, it's not Wayne, but I would be surprised to see how much we differ. I am very liberal socially, fiscally conservative, but that's about it. We should talk some more.!

05/09/2008 Amy "SassyPants" Z. says:

Oh hell I 'll put it out there.  I'm a conservative, and I think people are too quick to throw Bush under the bus for everything that goes wrong in this country.  And I have certain values, but I understand that I'm in the minority in the Bay Area and I respect everyone's opinions.  After all, who am I to judge?  But I like Yelp and I have some friends on here.  And I've got some major life preservers going on.

05/09/2008 John X. says:

Amy,  Bush will be judged to be he worst President in history. Horiffying, his policies and practices. I certainly don't have anything against conservatives, hell I've slept with several, but I think if you're defending Bush you are going to have a really hard time. Anywhere.

05/09/2008 Juliette "Kitty Karma" T. says:

Ok, I'm liberal, but a lot of my friends are conservatives, and I'm afraid many of them voted for Bush.  My dad is Iranian, and I still feel the same anger I had as a kid when I read some of the "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Eye-Ran!" messages (which, by the way, was a song several of my classmates - and some of my teachers - used to sing to me when I would walk into school.) on this website.  But, people are entitled to my - I mean, their - opinions.

05/09/2008 Tanisha A. says:

what the hell is a conservative drinker?

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

OMG Amy, look we can be friends, but you can't tell anyone! jk

conservative drinker; one who drinks conservatively or phrased another way, not to excess.  My words don't slur when I drink and my BAL stays below .08.  It's not a better than others thing, it's just that my liver and brain don't tolerate it well anymore.  Ever since that time I went surfing, but ended up in Ensenada drinking bad tequila from water glasses and dancing with a local off-duty police officers date (prostitute); I thought she was dancing with me cause she liked me.  Sigh.

05/09/2008 Amy "SassyPants" Z. says:

John W. says:

Amy,  Bush will be judged to be he worst President in history. Horiffying, his policies and practices. I certainly don't have anything against conservatives, hell I've slept with several, but I think if you're defending Bush you are going to have a really hard time. Anywhere.

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Hmmm John.  You couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm living on Easy Street.

05/09/2008 Yasmine "ooops" R. says:

Only if you don't have a problem with my:

liberal-ish-moderat-a-ble-fick le but mainly selfish stronger by the drink  views
God loving and fearing at the same time (gosh is is possible to love and fear?  sounds like an abusive relationship!)
a heavy drinker till yah puke, clean it up start over, party and laugh
smoke till it hurts, smoke as a preference of substance entry
pro mj but view it as a ''lazy'' drug
Matthew Fox restraining order

05/09/2008 John X. says:

Wow, Yasmine, way to kill another thread.

05/09/2008 Shannon "just call me Blondie" R. says:

do drinking/smoking habits really have much to do with political affiliation? I

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05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

Hoover and Coolidge are among the worst presidents in history, Greg.

05/09/2008 George "New Dad!" P. says:

I'm quoting an email I got: "Conservatives are whining, bitching, complaining, simple-minded self-righteous idiots who think they're perpetual victims. Listen to talk radio for a while, you'll see what I mean."
My wife's a liberal, and some of her friends can be just as whining and annoying. Difference is that you ask them what to do with an uninsured person who's dying of cancer they'll say "help him" even if it means higher taxes. Conservatives (well the ones I know) aren't so pro-life! Unless you're still in the uterus. Then they're all about getting you out of there and throwing you at the mercy of the free market!!
Too bad there's not a decent libertarian candidate out there.

05/09/2008 John X. says:

Yeah, Greg, you're wrong. This President is the worst in history. He said he wasn't into nation building. Uh, Iraq? He was supposed to be conservative fiscally? Yeah, right, because the surplus that Clinton gave us is now... well, gone, and in the deficit terribly. Bush defenders are idiots. It is unbelievable to me they would defend such an ass, such a detriment to our economy, our rights, and everything else about our society.

Oh, hey, are you gonna hit that pipe? Oh, okay, me next.

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05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

"Bush defenders are idiots."

Come now. They're not idiots. They're just wrong. I've been wrong about all sorts of things in my life and so has everyone else. When you pay a lot of attention to politics, when you study history, when you recognize the patterns of history, it becomes painfully obvious that Bush is leading this county into a pile of shit by the balls. I'm sure that there were plenty of people who defended Harding, Grant, Johnson, etc. but that doesn't mean they were stupid. They were just wrong.

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

Greg:

Carter was definitely not one of the worst. Pretty soon we'll be forced to adopt the energy policies that he was implementing 30 years ago--when Japan was smart enough to detach itself from foreign oil. If we had gone down the path then that Japan has been going down for 30 years, we would have a rosy future instead of a bleak one. That's not being a bad president, that's being ahead of ones' time.

05/09/2008 John X. says:

Oh, gosh, oops. I'm so sorry! Michael, you're so fucken smart to phrase it that way. I am entitled to my opinion and I think they are idiots. You can think they're something else, because you are intitled to your opinion.

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05/09/2008 John X. says:

What has Bush done well, Greg? What has he given us that has made our lives better? And don't bring up 9-11 and all of that crap. What has he done for us domestically? Or internationally?

You don't have to answer this, because I'm done with this thread.

05/09/2008 Jim "Now Isn't That Special" K. says:

The bay area in general is very liberal according to the way they've voted the last 20 years, but on this site and SFGate, I sense more conservatives. Are liberals less tech savvy? Remember :Al Gore invented the Internet and he's very liberal.
Anyway, I'm liberal and proud of it.

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05/09/2008 David D. says:

You're only a halfie-n00b.  You see, some day you will realize they are ALL conservatives on Yelp talk.

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

More to the point, though, the president in great part is a figure head - a leader who is supposed to make us feel good about our country so we go out, bear fruit and grow the economy.  Carter was bad at that, so is Bush.
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I agree with you on this. I'm not saying Carter was great. I think Hillary would be the exact same kind of president. But corruption causes long term problems rather than just a short term dissatisfaction with the country. I'd say Carter was below average, just like Reagan. Reagan may have made us feel good about ourselves, but it's in the same manner than heroin feels good. Eventually we run out and we have to suffer through the withdrawal.

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05/09/2008 Drew "Hussein" T. says:

he will be remembered for bringing armageddon

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

Amy, I often wonder how history will see W's Iraq blunder.  I'm not proud of W's Iraq decisions, but I honestly don't know how this will turn out.  Looking at the history of the region I believe there's a snowball's chance in hell of peace coming to the Middle East.  On the other hand, I didn't predict the fall of the Berlin Wall as early as it occured.

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

You have to look at it from the standpoint of incentive. Who in Iraq will risk their life to bring democracy to the region? Bhuta risked her life and she's dead now. The only way Iraq will have democracy is if we continue to finance it. Iraq has billions in Swiss bank accounts and yet we're paying for the war! How could anyone be okay with that?

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

The Iraq war is politically motivated. If you can't see that, you need to open your eyes. I'm sorry. I don't mean to insult, it's just the truth.

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05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

Seriously, hear it from the commander of the ground troops in Iraq. http://www.npr.org/tem...

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

"In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, I watched helplessly as the Bush administration led America into a strategic blunder of historic proportions. It became painfully obvious that the executive branch of our government did not trust its military. It relied instead on a neoconservative ideology developed by men and women with little, if any, military experience. Some senior military leaders did not challenge civilian decision makers at the appropriate times, and the courageous few who did take a stand were subsequently forced out of the service."

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

"I saw the cynical use of war for political gains by elected officials and acquiescent military leaders. I learned how the pressure of a round-the-clock news cycle could drive crucial decisions. I witnessed those resulting political decisions override military requirements and judgments and, in turn, create conditions that caused unnecessary harm to our soldiers on the ground."

05/09/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

Funny how this didn't make it into the liberal mainstream media, huh?

Liberal media bias anyone?

05/09/2008 Amy "SassyPants" Z. says:

If you were writing an invitation and had to describe what is basically a Q & A or an interview led by 1 person directed to antoher, how would you phrase that on an invite?

For example, I'm inviting people to hear me ask GW some questions.

I'm desperate and on a time crunch.

05/09/2008 Eric "This Space Intentionally Left Blank" M. says:

I think the fact this question was even raised is absolutely appalling.  If you asked the same question, but replaced 'conservative' with 'black,' 'Asian,' 'Jewish,' 'Hindu,' or any other group, there would be a shit storm of comments about how much of a cold hearted person you are.  But say 'would you interact with a *gasp* conservative?' and it is treated like it might just be perfectly acceptable to completely discriminate against someone because of their personal beliefs.

05/09/2008 J "Towel Rack" G. says:

Ya tottaly Eric! Conservatives are just like any minority group in america..I remember when conservatives couldn't vote..then when they were lynched! omg. the conservative lynchings were horrible!

05/09/2008 Miss Mary Ann "Slave to the Collie" D. says:

there have been such ppl around here, but I  think they got tired of the hate mail and left

anyone else remember marta??

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

That's an interesting point, Eric, but maybe it was the way I chose my phrasing more than the content and the fact that much of what I wrote has a lot of me in it and wasn't entirely impersonal. My impression of Yelp Talk was a very liberal population and since posting my question I've learned that there is more conservatism etc here than was obvious to me initially.  And my question wasn't about those topics you raised, but still an intersting point.

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

*interesting*

05/09/2008 Gilberto "Shivtastic" Y. says:

Nope.  Probably not.  Nah.

05/09/2008 Baobao "who joined yelp in 03/08" B. says:

I'm
a liberal,  
a compassionate Christian/ Buddhist/ Taoist
a non-smoker who sponsors cigarettes,
a winery,
a marijuana plantation,
anti-military involvement in the middle east to kill innocent women and children.

military involvement in the middle east to neutralize terrorist attacks on Americans?  I'd like to avoid.

It's so great that we can put away our differences on line,  drink and laugh off line, then draw a line in between of virtual politics and actual daily life.  With a couple of exceptions,  people everywhere eat, drink, dance, care for their family and friends. Most people are good people regardless of their political views, or information/ misinformation they receive.  As long as they are not intentionally giving / creating misinformation  or confusion, they are cool.

05/09/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

You had me at I'm, but could you please explain sponsoring cigarettes?

05/10/2008 Eric "This Space Intentionally Left Blank" M. says:

That's an interesting point, Eric, but maybe it was the way I chose my phrasing more than the content and the fact that much of what I wrote has a lot of me in it and wasn't entirely impersonal.
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I understand the intent, I just thought it was interesting how the largely very liberal people that post here didn't even bat an eye at the gross over generalizations that 'define' conservatives, but go nuts if you generalize any other group.
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My impression of Yelp Talk was a very liberal population and since posting my question I've learned that there is more conservatism etc here than was obvious to me initially.
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There may be a quiet band of conservatives, but they seem to yell and scream about how the world is coming to an end less than the liberals here.

Either way, this tickles me.  It is like when a kid at my college, a blind student, founded the 'White Students Alliance' as a prod at the 'Black Students Alliance.'  He cribbed their mission statement, word for word, replacing 'black' with 'white.'  It was immediately seen as racist and a whole slew of other bad things...even though it was essentially the same thing as the black group, but with white people.  I found it all quite ironic.  This is similar.

05/10/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

Irony is underappreciated!

05/10/2008 m "It's Megan, bitch" d. says:

IF
I were a republican, a conservative, a church-going christian, a conservative drinker, a non-smoker, an anti-marijuana proponent, and pro-military involvement in the middle east, would anyone friend me on Yelp Talk?  Would anyone welcome me at a DYL or other Yelp event?
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I don't know anyone, even the most conservative of conservatives, that fall into all the catagories that you have listed. Unfortunately there are a lot of liberals that seem to think that's how all conservatives are...sad, and downright ignorant

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Amy "SassyPants" Z. says:

John W. says:

Amy,  Bush will be judged to be he worst President in history. Horiffying, his policies and practices. I certainly don't have anything against conservatives, hell I've slept with several, but I think if you're defending Bush you are going to have a really hard time. Anywhere.

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Hmmm John.  You couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm living on Easy Street.

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Thank you Amy, and yes John, you couldn't be further from the truth

05/10/2008 Bud "Always missing the point" E. says:

Good night all and thanks for contributing to the thread.  It was enlightening for me in many ways!

05/10/2008 Baobao "who joined yelp in 03/08" B. says:

Eric,  why not call it a Student Alliance?  

AB" The people in Iraq do not want democracy."
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Democracy gives a person the freedom to decide on his/ her personal matters and does not  rape or stone a woman for no fault of her own because it's the will of the community.  Like any other old feaudalist country, Iraq needs to learn to respect boundaries and personal spaces before it's ready for democracy.  And the true democracy is simply the sum of boundaries and respects among people.

AB:  "  I don't know about you but uneducated thugs and terrorists scare the hell out of me and I wouldn't want them to have the right to vote or any sort of civil rights for that matter."

If we update the definition of terrorists to  troubled homeless people or troubled people who lost their homeland, what would be the best way to help them?  They are possibly good people who are upset for the wrong reasons.  Can we trust them with our family and friends at our homes after the terrorist acts they demonstrated? If they are misinformed, misled,  what do they need to know to be well-informed?   We know who they are.  On a case by case basis, how do we reach out to them and get through to them?

Bud,  when I lived in another web,  I ran ads for cigarettes.  I never smoke though.

05/10/2008 Mark "More Funkalicious Reviews in the 'Hopper'" A. says:

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05/10/2008 John S. says:

I think most of the people on Yelp are politically conservative.

05/10/2008 Russell "The Soulless and Inhumane One" P. says:

I don't think Bush can be viewed as a conservative anymore based solely on his excessive spending habits.  I consider myself fiscally conservative, yet socially awkward....I mean, in the middle.  Maybe even more to the left than right.  However, the majority of my views fall under allowing the states to make the determination and taking the power from the Fed.

05/10/2008 Eric "This Space Intentionally Left Blank" M. says:

John "No on 98" S. says:

I think most of the people on Yelp are politically conservative.
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I think you're delusional, count the number of threads bashing Bush, conservatives, and Republicans plus the number of threads supporting Clinton, Obama, taxing this and that, and other liberal causes vs. the number of threads opposite of that.  Pales in comparison.

05/10/2008 John S. says:

I think Clinton and Obama are both pretty conservative.

05/10/2008 John S. says:

And the threads supporting these supposedly non-conservative causes might be many, but a high percentage of the posts in these threads are very conservative, often quite reactionary.

05/10/2008 Mark "More Funkalicious Reviews in the 'Hopper'" A. says:

Bush is not a Conservative.

It also sounds like McCain wants to give away some Free Lunch money...

05/10/2008 Eric "This Space Intentionally Left Blank" M. says:

John "No on 98" S. says:

I think Clinton and Obama are both pretty conservative.
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Yep, you're delusional.

05/10/2008 Tsada K. says:

I rather like having the conservatives around here.  Russell, JD, and Craig keep things interesting. Talk is boring when everyone agrees.

It's the racist morons around here that give them a bad name.

People sometimes make the mistake of thinking that racism is a political view, and namely a conservative/rRepublican one.  That's not true.  Being a racist and being a Republican do not necessarily go hand in hand.  Being racist and being a moron, on the other hand, totally do.

05/10/2008 Mark "More Funkalicious Reviews in the 'Hopper'" A. says:

What Eric said.

Obama & Clinton want national health care / socialized medicine.

Obama wants to remove (raise) two Bush tax cuts, wants to lift the ceiling for Social Security taxes, and wants to raise taxes on capital gains. Bob Brinker of Moneytalk calls his economic policies an "Obamination".

05/10/2008 Kenny "The Gambler" R. says:

So, what is considered conservative these days?

05/10/2008 Mark "More Funkalicious Reviews in the 'Hopper'" A. says:

I can tell you one chap who is conservative... Tom McClintok (R), Orange County.

05/10/2008 Kenny "The Gambler" R. says:

Do you mean McClintock?  I think he is GOP's secret weapon.  He is liked by many fiscal Democrats, and has many celebrity endorsers(money).  And friends help when you're a evil GOP:)  I like his stance on many things.

05/11/2008 John S. says:

Last time I checked, Tom McClintock lived in Thousand Oaks, which is in Ventura County, not Orange County.

05/11/2008 Karsten "Hussein" P. says:

sada "tsadistic" K. says:

I rather like having the conservatives around here.  Russell, JD, and Craig keep things interesting. Talk is boring when everyone agrees.
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Agree - I think a healthy exchange of ideas -- emphasis on the word healthy -- makes us al wiser and more flexible. Hate it when either side gets overly doctrinaire, judgmental, preachy.

05/11/2008 Mark "More Funkalicious Reviews in the 'Hopper'" A. says:

John, you may be right.

05/11/2008 Mark "More Funkalicious Reviews in the 'Hopper'" A. says:

Kenny, it was interesting how many compliments he got during his run for Governor, when he simply stated the simple math of our state's finances... what, Arnold got like 60% of the vote, and McClintok got maybe 15-20% of the vote?

If he could have been elected, his medicine would have been tougher, but more effective... unfortunately, he likely wouldn't have had his measures pass the liberal legislature.

But the good news is that we wouldn't be $20 Billion in debt right now.

05/11/2008 John S. says:

I am right.  

Facts matter, which is why I'm neither conservative nor Republican.

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05/11/2008 Michael "The Dragon Slayer" M. says:

AB:

What kind of demographic changes are you referring to?

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05/11/2008 John S. says:

He means that the Latino population will continue to increase while the Caucasian population with stagnate or shrink.  

I don't necessarily agree that a non-white majority means that fiscal conservatism has no future, but the California Republican Party has been DOA ever since Gray Davis's first election.  Davis was basically a Republican; the Democrats realized that in order to win in California all they needed was a tough-on-crime Democrat-in-name-only.  Citizens of the state will continue to pass reactionary, anti-immigrant, tough-on-crime initiatives; but the only way the Republicans have of winning elected office is to find movie stars whose names everyone knows.  Many California Republicans hate Schwarzenegger because he's probably about the same politically as Gray Davis.

The heart and soul of the California Republican Party is in Orange County, San Diego County, and parts of the state that are either very sparsely populated or that are disproportionately populated by white people (e.g., McClintock's Thousand Oaks).  Like any political party that is nowhere near the majority, the leadership of the California Republican Party is much more ideologically out of touch with its own members than it needs to be.

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