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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

So I have been doing a little thinking about the 5.

Tigh is supposed to be one of the 5 correct? How can that be? As he served in the first cylon war(with Adama) when there cylons where still only robotic and not synthetic.

Thoughts?

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04/22/2008 Danielle "Pretentious Squirrel" L. says:

he was kidnapped, replaced with a cylon that had all his memories from a brain scan. No one knew the difference.

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04/22/2008 luis .. says:

this is too much for me to handle...

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04/22/2008 Cliff B. says:

Cylons age just like humans and they have obviously looked like humans for a longer time than first believed as evidenced by the episode that showed the final 6 on that planet by the sun which went supernova. (yeah, I know that's a run-on sentence)

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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

1 minute ago Danielle "Pretentious Squirrel" L. says:

he was kidnapped, replaced with a cylon that had all his memories from a brain scan. No one knew the difference.
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That's pretty good, but would that make him the first synthetic made? I am having trouble with timeline.

How about that the final five are actually some of the first synthetics made? Sent out into the population before the others were created?

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04/22/2008 elrod "thank you, but no" m. says:

is the faux jesus one of the 5?

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04/22/2008 Danielle "Pretentious Squirrel" L. says:

elrod "petty pretty things :)" m. says:

is the faux jesus one of the 5?
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probably not, but I swear that kid he saved looked like a cylon to me. How else would he be able to heal so fast? Eh? Little kid cylons. The next generation.

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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

My guess on the last of the five is Starbuck.

Did anyone else catch that there are now 2 baby cylons?

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04/22/2008 elrod "thank you, but no" m. says:

Brian M. says:

My guess on the last of the five is Starbuck.

Did anyone else catch that there are now 2 baby cylons?
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hera and who else?

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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

1 minute ago elrod "petty pretty things :)" m. says:
hera and who else?
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The chief and Cally's baby.

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04/22/2008 Teddy "HeyTed" B. says:

could it be a cylon trick that they aren't really cylons. The revealed four were all on the planet (New Caprica?) where the cylons occupied them. maybe the cylons did some mumbo-jumbo brainwashing to eventually turn them against the humans.

does anyone remember about 2 seasons ago that Adama was accused of being a cylon?

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04/22/2008 Junglist S. says:

i definitely vote starbuck.

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

I still say Gaita is the last model.

He has access to the bridge computers (I'm pretty sure that's how the Cylons have been following the fleet), and he conveniently volunteered to be aboard Starbuck's ship to search for Earth.

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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

Gaita, that's good! I hadn't thought of him.

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04/22/2008 Matt H. says:

Uh, how about the secret 4 not noticing they had super strength their whole lives.

BSG is packed with plot holes. Frakkin' ignore em!

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04/22/2008 elrod "thank you, but no" m. says:

remember the DVD that came out last year, the cylon dude in the tub said to be weary of starbuck.

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04/22/2008 Cliff B. says:

Gaita? I never thought of him. That sounds good to me...he was always a big Baltar supporter.

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04/22/2008 Mitsi "laaa-leeee" H. says:

25 minutes ago Brian M. says:

My guess on the last of the five is Starbuck.

Did anyone else catch that there are now 2 baby cylons?
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no - spinoff!

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that gaita was the last one to 'shake hands' with Sharon before she shot Adama. You never see Gaita and Sharon's hands when they do this, and I believe he passed her a gun at that time.

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04/22/2008 Junglist S. says:

p.s. its gaeta all you poser BSG fans.

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Gaita, Gaeta, huked on foniks can werk fer ewe two.

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04/22/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

I don't think we know enough about the final 5 yet to know what the hell was going on. I felt sucker punched when Tigh was revealed as a 5 for exactly this reason. But for the moment I'm going to assume that Ron Moore thought of this, and will explain it before the end. If not, well, it is fiction.

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

I called Tigh out after the Lucy Lawless character's dream where she said, 'I'm so sorry for what we did to you.' (Since she was the one that removed Tigh's eye.) I've been pretty right on for the most part of this series.

Moore is leaving a lot of clues, and a lot of red herrings as well. Did everyone already see the 'Last Supper' picture that Moore and company put up? One of the spots is vacant, and that's supposed to be the final Cylon.

http://battlestar-gala...

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04/22/2008 Edward B. says:

hahaha... I read it as "battlestar butt hole..."

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04/22/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Mister - I noticed that but I thought "no, he has way too much history!" And I thought the same thing when they were hearing all along the watch tower.

04/22/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

Uhm yeah, but D'anna also wanted to shoot Anders in the rubble, so she could have been remarking on seeing him as well. I don't remember her lines verbatim, but she said "I'm sorry, I had no idea."

The last cylon could be Gaeta (he's kind of like a silent puppetmaster/mastermind) or Dee. The last five cylons are all "right hands" of humans. Ronald Moore said Starbuck and Roslin are not.

Hera and Nicholas are hybrid babies we know of.

The last cylon isn't supposed to be revealed until the end of this last season, so expect a shocker. Lee maybe? Haha. What if Apollo is one? Oh, Admiral Cain?

Tigh being a cylon, well, the five cylons of the 12 are "special" to begin with. They don't have copies. They check out as human. They appear in dreams and altered states of consciousness like beings of light from the original series' beings of light. It doesn't bug me he's "old."

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04/22/2008 Jen "Mayor of Pantstown" I. says:

ooohhhh. Gaeta! I feel like Starbuck being the last one is too obvious.

Gaeta also freaked out about something Baltar said to him that made Gaeta stab him with the pen! I don't remember if Baltar saw what Deana saw in the temple. Gaeta makes a good suspect to be the last one.

And then there was that hybrid or whatever at the end of 'Razor' who told whatserface that Kara Thrace would lead the human race to its oblivion...but I still don't think Starbuck's the last one.

This is going to frack with my head for awhile. I watched the first 3 seasons on DVD, having to watch the 4th week by week and having to wait is killing me!

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04/22/2008 euge "fanfuckingtastic" l. says:

starbuck and boomer and me

yummy

04/22/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

He said she was the harbinger of death or doom...

Starbuck was "dead" and got resurrected by the mysterious beings of light kind of like how Apollo did in the original series.

Now it would make me laugh if the final five are actually those same beings of light only disguised as cylons.

All I have to say is, UNBOX D'ANNAS PLEASE.

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04/22/2008 Junglist S. says:

starbucks like a dude! ill take a few #6's at once please.

04/22/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

In this picture based on The Last Supper you'll notice Tory is not featured. Why is that?

http://bp2.blogger.com...

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04/22/2008 Jen "Mayor of Pantstown" I. says:

ooooohhhh. I never noticed Tory wasn't in the picture!

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Because Tory isn't important to the plot.

My guess is that Tory will die in the next few episodes because she's sort of wigging out and not 'following her programming'. She'll most likely be killed by Chief after he finds out it was Tory that spaced Cally.

04/22/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

Tory not important? She is, though. Ronald Moore said each of the Dylan fans were to depict a "human" reaction style to their newfound identity. And she flipping launched Cally out a tube, killing off an important secondary character. I don't see how Tory can be killed until the final cylons reveal what they're doing in this opera.

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04/22/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Tory might have already done her job, Jennifer, by venting Cally in to space. Hell Tigh might even kill her for that, let alone Tyrol himself.

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04/22/2008 san d. says:

Maybe we'll find out Tigh isn't a cylon in this week's episode. In the preview, wasn't Blondie beating him up? Why would she beat up one of her own?

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04/22/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Because the final 5 are special and different, and other skin jobs might not respect them as true cylons (despite what the raiders might think of them).

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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

Hey, wait a minute, if tigh is a skin job, why hasn't his eye healed?

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04/22/2008 ACE "It's Reality CHECK Tv, not 'reality tv'" A. says:

Damn, I'm behind. I had to stop reading all of these so I won't know too much when I get to catch up on the latest stuff.

I have to say that one of my big thrills was to interview Richard Hatch, who was on OG from the 1st Battlestar, and is in the current one too. Super-cool.

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Skin jobs heal just like humans do.

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04/22/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Yeah, they are the same as people, except for their strength... and the fact that the "norma" ones can be resurrected.

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04/22/2008 Carol L. says:

I loved the way Starbuck said to the President, "I'm no more a cylon than you are." My guess is that the president is the 5th, and Starbuck is a clone they made from her stolen ovary.

04/22/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

His eye healed; it's not going to grow back like he's a salamander or something.

Yeah, so why are raiders and other toasters afraid of the final five to haul ass away from a battle? I think the final five have untapped powers which, when combined, will just annihilate everything. :p And who the fuck programmed the cylons not to talk/think about the final five?

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04/22/2008 George C. says:

do we know who made the skin jobs in the first place? the robotic cylons couldn't have done it, could they have? or is that part of the mystery...can't remember it's been so long.

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04/22/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

I think Ron Moore is on record saying it's not Roslyn.

I'm pretty sure the Final Five programmed the skinjobs,an perhaps the raiders and centurions, to obey them.

A fact that has been pointed out in a number of places - how the frack did CENTURIONS evolve themselves in to the skinjobs. They are, as far as we can tell, pretty dullwitted (but since they can't talk, we don't know for sure). But remember what the hybrid said "All of this has happened before" - are they stuck in some fort of repeating timeloop? I guess we'll find out.

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Rossalyn is not a Cylon.

The 'Last Supper' picture has a missing spot where the last Cylon is supposed to be sitting. Everyone else in the picture has already been revealed as a Cylon, or is human.

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04/22/2008 Brian M. says:

If skin jobs heal like humans, how come an skin job blood cured Roslyns Cancer (at least temporarily)?

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04/22/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Brian, the blood from Boomer and Helo's kid healed Rossalyn.

04/22/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

"A fact that has been pointed out in a number of places - how the frack did CENTURIONS evolve themselves in to the skinjobs. They are, as far as we can tell, pretty dullwitted (but since they can't talk, we don't know for sure)."

That would be God, the one true Cylon God who made them, right? The one true Cylon God made the hybrids, too, which run the baseships, right?

The Centurions seem so dim-witted because the skinjob models slapped those mind control devices on them. Remember, six and eight and Leobens took the doodads off. They were some kind of higher-function inhibitor.

The ultimate question is, if they were so smart and had this God to begin with, then why make 12 humanoid models? I mean, there has to be some good evolutionary reason for it. The 12 models are based on 12 real individuals who once lived? One from each colony?

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04/22/2008 Njon "Shatangi O" W. says:

Perhaps Tigh just did a Darren Stephens / Becky Connor maneuver. Great show!!

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05/16/2008 Cliff B. says:

okay, last weeks episode was excellent but I was really hoping that Anders was going to touch that Cylon device.

still no closer to the truth unless you guys know it...

"Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."

Is Anders this "he" they are talking about? Is Starbuck the "she?" And who is the last damn Cylon?

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05/17/2008 Cliff B. says:

btw. THAT was the best Battlestar episode I've seen in awhile.

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05/17/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Gaeta is a lovely singer.

05/17/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

yes, great episode, stuff is happening!!!

05/17/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

"And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.""

Sounds like Jesus (slouching toward Bethlehem), and the only one who fits that is Baltar.

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05/17/2008 Lilly O. says:

Was anyone else freaked when Hera said "Bye-Bye"? I expected her to start saying "Redrum" next.

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05/17/2008 Lilly O. says:

Oh, and yes, that was a great episode and I am pissed we have to wait 2 weeks for the next one!

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05/17/2008 Brian M. says:

I am so bummed I totally missed last nights episode!!! Anything juicy?

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05/17/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Speaking of plot hole - does anyone else thing it's a bit odd that Cavil didn't stay to watch the rebel ship obliterated?

05/17/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

I don't remember Cavil jamming away before the civil war started, but anyway, the only thing that really surprised me was the Opera House dream/vision looking more and more like a cylon projection. Is Roslin having the visions because of Hera's blood transfusion or because she's a cockamaney cylon that is "clawing to the light?"

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05/17/2008 neil "f u" c. says:

Jennifer, my point is - the ship is still there. Not a billion atoms. He was there when they launched their missiles, but obviously didn't want for the job to be finished...

I'm pretty sure Roslin's not a skinjob. It's also not Kara. The only really outlandish possibility is that Adama himself is the 5th... which would make Lee a hybrid. I'm not saying this is likely, but it's an interesting idea.

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05/17/2008 Cliff B. says:

"Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable."

Sounds to me like Baltar and Roslin are the two enemies. Baltar was longing for death and Roslin has terminal cancer and had that vision of the boat and shore. Sounds like they're teaming up.

"And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."

Is this Gaeta? Does he want redemption for his lost lower leg? His suffering or the fleets suffering? or maybe Cylon suffering? so confused...

05/17/2008 Aaron M. says:

I read "battlestar pot hole."

I HATE pot holes!

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05/17/2008 Jack H. says:

hot hole?

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05/18/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Look away if you don't want to read what I gleaned from the last episode (because it revealed A LOT)...
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Still there?

Okay....

1. Galactica is the Opera House. It is where all the players are staged.
2. Six is the dying leader of a dying race.
3. Kara Thrace is the harbinger of doom for the Cylons (since Galatica will be destroying the resurrection hub) meaning that the Cylons have no way to regenerate, and since they can't procreate amongst themselves, they're a dead race.
4. Gaeta is the fifth. The song he was singing was describing the happenings on Galactica and the basestar.

So say we all....

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05/18/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

I'm totally OK with Gaeta being the last cylon if that's true.

But the cylons are not dying if they can have babies with humans. I think that's the "inevitable joining." I don't know why cylon humans are infertile to begin with -- it's odd. "God" gives all its creatures a way to procreate. Birds and bees.

This still does not explain the hybrids on the base stars. Who the HELL are they? Where did they come from? How come they know so much?

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05/18/2008 Karsten "Caution - ruts ahead" P. says:

This is my all-time most beloved SF show, for many reasons. But the level of violence is occasionally ridiculous to the point of being pointless. In particular, was anyone else annoyed when Boomer gunned down the lead Six in this last episode? I mean, right after she lobbies the other Cylons to grow beyond distrust of the humans?

I go back and forth between thinking of the 'enemy' either as maniacal killing machines, aor creatures worthy of some form of salvation, because, as she points out in her speech to the council, they are discovering what is missing in their own lives: a sense of the preciousness of life. And also because humans are painted as being so catastrophically flawed themselves.

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05/18/2008 Karsten "Caution - ruts ahead" P. says:

And what about Baltar showing up in the opera house?

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05/18/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

But the cylons are not dying if they can have babies with humans. I think that's the "inevitable joining." I don't know why cylon humans are infertile to begin with -- it's odd. "God" gives all its creatures a way to procreate. Birds and bees.

This still does not explain the hybrids on the base stars. Who the HELL are they? Where did they come from? How come they know so much?
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Actually, since the Cylons cannot procreate, and with the resurrection hub destroyed have no extra bodies being made, they ARE a dying race. When the Cylons have a baby with a human (which they have to be in love with the human to accomplish) that baby is a hybrid. Neither Cylon nor human, but a new race.

The hybrids on the base stars came from the baby camps like the one Starbuck saw on occupied Caprica. They are engineered humans.

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05/18/2008 Julie "chuk foo" A. says:

the real problem is that they don't belong to the Federation. Starfleet.

They also don't have a real source of Furyans.

Everything is hopeless without Riddick

05/18/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

That mother of all ressurrection ships hasn't been destroyed yet.

I never saw in the show that new Cylons were not being made. Was there mention of a finite number?

Baltar keeps looking like the last cylon, but that stupid Entertainment Weekly photo shoot they all did points out that he is not. Ronald Moore said as much in interviews related to the Last Supper photo. DOH.

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05/18/2008 Jason K. says:

I'm convinced the 5th is Gaeta as well. His character's profile has really been amplified this season and this last episode nails it.

Remember when the captured 6 was beating the crap out of Tigh. The explanation for why they don't shut out the pain was that they learn from it. Seems like the the ordeal of Gaeta is part of his awakening. His singing is also related to how the remaining 5 discover themselves (remember the song only they could here before they realized who they really were). I think that was deliberate.

Best episode so far this season!

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05/30/2008 Cliff B. says:

I don't care for this political subplot but I guess it's a vehicle to show how Apollo becomes president.

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05/30/2008 Cliff B. says:

whoa! what the hell just happened?!

05/30/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

yeah, whoa... to be continued next week...

The Six in the brig...and Tigh, now, WTF!

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05/30/2008 Cliff B. says:

Next week 3 wakes up and she looks pissed.

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05/30/2008 El H. says:

Carol L. says:

I loved the way Starbuck said to the President, "I'm no more a cylon than you are." My guess is that the president is the 5th, and Starbuck is a clone they made from her stolen ovary.
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06/06/2008 Cliff B. says:

the sci-fi forums are abuzz about tonights episode. Many people are saying it's the best episode evar! I purposely didn't read what happened because I want to be surprised.

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06/06/2008 Cliff B. says:

that was a good episode but not as good as it was hyped up to be. I did like that Baltar admitted his treason. Next episode looks like the one we have been waiting for.

06/06/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

I still think it was good. D'Anna is back!

06/06/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

P.S. That hybrid is some freaky chick! I love it!

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06/07/2008 Mister "One Sexy Motherfucker" J. says:

Ok, if Tigh is the father of Six's baby, then we know what the five are really for....procreation.

That's what would make them special. Cylons being able to procreate with Cylons (which the first 8 models cannot do amongst themselves) would mean that they don't need the human race to survive. It's just as good as a resurrection ship.

Also, from a genetic standpoint, having 5 Cylons that are fertile not only amongst themselves, but with the other 8 models gives a greater genetic diversity for a race to survive. Very cool, and very well thought out by Moore and company.

06/07/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

Tigh has to be. Who else has been paying Six visits in her jail cell? Makes you wonder... I think it's Tigh because Doc Cottle caught it. A little DNA test.

But if this whole thing is about genetic diversity, I will be disappointed!

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06/07/2008 Cliff B. says:

what about Earth?

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06/13/2008 Cliff B. says:

oops, I guess they find earth today.

06/13/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

Did you finish watching? I don't want to bring up spoilers here...

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06/13/2008 Cliff B. says:

oops

please disregard my last post.

06/13/2008 Patrick "Patrick" B. says:

Is it really a good show? My co-worker let me borrow Season 1 Disc 1 and I have yet to watch it...

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06/13/2008 Cliff B. says:

Patrick, start from the beginning...and YES, it is an excellent show.

06/13/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

I had watched it earlier before you made the post, but damn, I knew it was too good to be true -- finding Earth was one thing, but ... if you have already watched it, well, you know. I bet my husband there's some Planet of the Apes secret cave coming... The fifth is in there, not with the fleet. WHY do we have to wait until next year for the conclusion?

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06/13/2008 Cliff B. says:

*spoiler alert*

The final episodes. By then we'll have a new president and the Raiders will be playing for the playoffs.

I was reading the Battlestar forum and read that they reached Earth and it was a nuclear wasteland.

I didn't understand their premature celebrating. As far as they knew, the earthlings might not have been friendly and now this group of cylon "allies" knows where Earth is located. Oh wells, I still loved the episode.

06/13/2008 Jennifer "yoda mom" P. says:

I loved it. On a side note, I found out Hotdog is really Edward James Olmos' son. :p I had no idea.

I have to check the other forums...

Yeah, nuclear wasteland. I guess the writing team wanted to show all the jubilation to contrast it with the depression and disbelief on their landing and discovery of their new home.

06/13/2008 Alex "Big Daddy" H. says:

during the entire episode, the only thing on my mind is that with all the technology, they were only able to give Gaita a "pair" of crutches... WTFrack....

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06/14/2008 George C. says:

patrick, the 4 hour pilot is really incredible. the show has had its ups and downs since, but it's been hard to not follow it to see what happens.

not really a spoiler, but stop reading if you haven't been watching...

one thing that has bothered me among many things you could question...why is there only one doctor, out of all those tens of thousands of people? there are tons of reporters, activists, lawyers, freedom fighters, and all sorts of other kinds of people in the mix. but for some reason we're supposed to believe there would be only one doctor, he'd be a chain smoker, and he'd somehow be able to tend to those tens of thousands of people all by himself. that is really just not at all plausible, and has bugged me from the start.

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