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Are Boston Red Sox fans that visit NYC courtious to New Yorkers, or total 'massholes'?

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05/14/2008 Mr. Mojo R. says:

I'm a Boston native..but I love NY- I'm not a Yankees fan- But I LOVE  the circa 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers-the greatest basball team in history.
I like the Boston Red Sox, as its my hometown team- but avoid Fenway Park like the plague, as the hardcore Red Sox fans are the most obnoxious people I've ever met- Last year I was on the subway in Boston and felt awful, as I overheard some visiting New Yorkers speak in astonisment at how vile and rude the Sox fans were to them- sadly they concluded all Bostonians are that way- many of them are, not all though- The 'Massholes'  as we call them are more of a product of the arrogant  New England provincial mindset, as opposed to being just a Boston thing....
But I'll tell you this- people claim New Yorkers are unfriendly? What a load of crap!-New Yorkers are very direct and very honest-certainly nicer than many of the people in my city.
My brother and his family have seen games down in Yankee Stadium, and New Yorkers were always very kind and gracious to them- Never once a problem. But they told me that in Fenway park, they cringe when they see the local yokles taunting, and at times threatening New Yorkers that are in the stands, trying to enjoy the game...I love baseball, live in Boston, but refuse to go to Fenway park.
When you've encountered Red Sox fans- did they treat you with the respect any fellow human deserves, or were they total jerks?  I really wish the hardcore Sox fans  could lighten up-They suck all the fun out of the game for me-Know what happned in Boston when the Sox won the series? They destroyed everything-overturned cars, knocked down streetlights, etc..
Perhaps this is one reason I plan to leave Boston for NY, the greatest place on Earth- If only Brooklyn had kept the Dodgers though!

Peace
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05/15/2008 John "Da Bull" G. says:

courtious?
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05/15/2008 RoDERICK a. says:

i am a hardcore Red Sox fan and most of us are certainly not rude and obnoxious. I really think it has to do with age, because i'm quite sure that most of the "Massholes" are, what, males in their 20's and 30's who tend to get really drunk at games, thus are very belligerent during games? Yeah, those arseholes are the ones I hate and give us in The Nation a bad name.

but like i said, a majority of red sox fans are extremely cool. So are most Yankee fans when I goto Yankee Stadium with my red sox cap on. They're polite and very baseball-knowledgeable. but there are those assholes who will shout at you from three sections away, saying go back to Plymouth Rock and such.
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05/15/2008 Mike "Sexy Beast" S. says:

I am a yankee fan and  have been to many of the Stadium games involving these two teams, no conflicts the mojority of the Red Sox fans were cool people the few that weren't, it was obvious that regardless of what the venue might have been they would have been assholes anyway.
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05/15/2008 MR. "BIG BLAKTINO" G. says:

for 10 months i lived on long island and worked in brooklyn and queens. new yorkers definitely got in their jabs when they found out i was from Boston. i subcontracted for con ed so the guys i met tried to get surly with me. it was all good natured, probably because we were sober. but a friend who stayed down there got it good after the superbowl debacle. yahoos take it way to far.
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05/15/2008 Waiseng "Equity Research" Y. says:

i like the yankees. i've never been to fenway park. when i was in the yankee stadium bleachers a few weeks ago, i went with yankee fans and 1 red sox fan. we talked to yankee fans and red sox fans in the bleachers. but oh many of those 'bleacher creatures' needed their mouths washed out with soap. at least 3 were ejected by the cops. if it were up to me, i would have ejected many more. the cops would walk within 8 feet of rowdies and stare them down. (icey stares!) .....i was with 2 of my cousin's in-laws from arizona (an " on-the-quiet-side-kind-o f-classy" young couple who claimed to be yankee fans. i think they don't watch a lot of sports. they probably work a lot.) and i felt so embarrassed by the potty mouths who were being tres rude to most of the red sox fans just for the h*ll of it. they didn't bother the 1 red sox fan in our troop probably cuz we set an "aura" or "force field" around us.
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05/15/2008 Waiseng "Equity Research" Y. says:

oh, lol, i remember one young girl about 22 with a red sox top getting lost and the yankee fans said 'she's lost! she's lost! bostons that way!' and she yelled 'SCORRREBOARD!' because the red sox had a huge lead and it was pretty early in the game. i thought that was hilarious
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05/15/2008 Karen "Sweeney" M. says:

I was visiting Boston with my boyfriend at the time who was forgetful about the rivalry (he was from Cincy). A car full of guys stopped to ask us for directions. My boyfriend replied, "Oh, sorry, not sure - we're from New York", to which they proceeded to yell "FUCK YOU!!".

Nice.
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05/15/2008 vicki "TGIF" M. says:

haaaaaaaaaaa. love it.
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05/15/2008 vicki "TGIF" M. says:

My opinion is :
You have a baseball team that couldn't win in a city with prolly the most angst in america.
What do you expect?
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05/15/2008 Justin "Lover of love and loving all" C. says:

I'm a big Sox fan, and have always found the grief I've gotten at Yankee stadium to be far greater than what I've seen at Fenway to Yankees fans. But you have to expect it.
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05/15/2008 Karen "Sweeney" M. says:

I'm a big Yankees fan and I think the rivalry can be fun...but being yelled "Fuck You" at on the street when you are VISITING their town and helping their tourism just for being from New York is totally pathetic.

Most Yankees/Red Sox fans these days don't even remember how or why the rivalry started.
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05/15/2008 Gina C. says:

I think that the abuse Yankee fans give Red Sox fans at Yankee stadium amounts to good natured ribbing compared to the other way around.  In 1999 at a Yankees/Red Sox game I was told by the man behind me that I had a big mouth for a little girl and that if I didn't shut up he'd give me something to yell about and I am not a particularly verbal fan, I'm really just a cheer-er.  Of course that's an extreme case, but I've just never seen that kind of hosility at Yankee stadium.

Also, it's really hard to get a cab in a Yankees cap out there.
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05/15/2008 Andrew W. says:

I'm more annoyed by the sheer number of Red Sox fans in New York. You walk down the street and see more Red Sox hats than Yankee hats.

What's happened to this town?

Why is it suddenly "Cool" to wear a Red Sox hat?

Ugh, there ought to be a law!
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05/15/2008 Matt "Day man, fighter of the night man" E. says:

i disagree. i think the grief given at Yankee stadium is much worse than fenway. i have had shit thrown at me non stop, people getting in my face yelling, and police gotten involved the fans have been so obnoxious.

the yankees have their most degenerate fans in the bleachers section. they're the "bleacher creatures". and they are creatures.
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05/15/2008 Matt "Day man, fighter of the night man" E. says:

FYI - if no one watched baseball tonight last night, check out this ridiculous Manny Ramirez play from the game yesterday.

http://boston.redsox.m...

A catch, a high five, then a throw for the double play. that is some really hilarious stuff. it's the "Ramirez's amazing catch" video.
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05/15/2008 Matt "Day man, fighter of the night man" E. says:

crap, the link doesn't work cause of the "&".....
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05/15/2008 vicki "TGIF" M. says:

karen, it doesn't matter where you are from or if you have lived in that town for your entire life, you WILL be cursed at or threatened repeatedly for no apparent reason.
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05/15/2008 vicki "TGIF" M. says:

the good that comes out of that angst is, i think it breeds alot of comedic people. you gotta have a sense of humor to get out of their alive. ;)
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05/15/2008 Joe "you shut your mouth when you're talking to me" O. says:

I can't stand Yankee, Red Sox or Pats fans one way or the other.  First thing - if you walk into my apt with any Yankee gear you're taking it off.  Second - everything was all fun and giddy when the Sox/Pats weren't winning.  I actually went to school in NE and rooted for the Grogan-led Pats when they still had cool uni's.  Now I can't stand the supposed "fans."   If you ask me the problem with all 3 teams now is the bandwagon effect (or is it 'a'ffect?  I can never tell).  Anyway, when a team starts winning, you get all the yahoo's blabbering about how great their team is.  So the gist of my rant is that they all suck nuts.  I can't stand em and will be rooting (at least in the AL) for the Mariners!  

Oh, and GO METS!
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05/15/2008 jeff "when i move you move" c. says:

first you spell assholes wrong then courteous

must be from Boston =)
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05/15/2008 CB M. says:

i am from the boston area

New Yorkers treat people with Boston baseball caps much better here than people in Boston treat people with New York baseball caps there.  In fact, a lot of people who live here sport Boston hats...it's being "alternative".  NOBODY in boston just decides to be a Yankees fan to be "different."

Boston is a little city (570,000 people) and is obsessed with its hatred of New York, especially from a sports perspective.

New York is a world city (8 million people) and doesn't really notice Boston in particular, even from a sports perspective.
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05/15/2008 Jennifer "Bottomless Pit" S. says:

i was at a yankee/toronto game a few weeks back and and bunch of Toronto fans got heckled and screamed at and somehow they were the ones who ended up getting kicked out.

Im a yankee fan till the day i die but some of our fans are just obnoxious. Im sure thats in any city though.

It always tends to be the group (never just 1 or 2) of guys in their early-mid twenties in their jeans and sandals and american eagle polos stirring everyone up. If it were just one of them they'd never say anything because in actuality they are truly the biggest pussies ever. Yep.
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05/15/2008 Matt "Day man, fighter of the night man" E. says:

sometimes yankees fans run over boston fans with their car.
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05/15/2008 vicki "TGIF" M. says:

no CBM. your statements are untrue. i hate this thread. i don't like either fans. ciao.
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05/15/2008 Justin "Lover of love and loving all" C. says:

CBM - way, way, way off.

New Yorkers treat people with Boston baseball caps much better here than people in Boston treat people with New York baseball caps there.  In fact, a lot of people who live here sport Boston hats...it's being "alternative".  NOBODY in boston just decides to be a Yankees fan to be "different."

- Um, wrong. No native NYer wears a Boston hat to be alternative. There are many transplants to NY from other parts of the country and world and they all become Yankees fans, which is natural. But no one here decides to be a Red Sox fan. The only Red Sox fans here were fans before they got here. Those people with the hats have moved down from Boston.

Boston is a little city (570,000 people) and is obsessed with its hatred of New York, especially from a sports perspective.

- Boston is not at all obsessed with its hatred for NY. Tons of people from Boston move here, or just come to visit. We have a sports rivalry like any sports rivalry.

New York is a world city (8 million people) and doesn't really notice Boston in particular, even from a sports perspective.

- NY notices Boston from a sports perspective. Yankees v. Red Sox is widely considered the greatest rivalry in sports. The Yanks recently spent $50G to remove a David Ortiz jersey from the foundation of their new stadium. I think that qualifies as taking noitce.
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05/15/2008 CB M. says:

can you tell I don't really care about sports?

from the perspective of a non fan, it seemed like people in the boston area cared a lot more about hating  on new york than vice versa

and I see a lot more red sox caps here than I saw yankees caps in boston

maybe I just hang with different people in new york
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05/15/2008 Justin "Lover of love and loving all" C. says:

Yeah, you do see a lot of Sox hats here because a lot of people from Boston move to NY. No harm no foul, just thought I'd point out some misinformation. :)
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05/15/2008 CB M. says:

The people in New York that I know as Boston fans aren't even from Boston.

They moved here from California or Virginia or whereever.  They just hate the yankees.  The Yankees represent corporate greed, throwing money around, and arrogance.  Which they hate.  So they wear Mets and Red Sox hats.
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05/15/2008 matthew "rehab is for quitters" h. says:

when i was in school in boston (starting 78   bucky dent  HAHA)
i had people climb up the outside of my dorm building to tear a yankee banner from my window, and saw cars w/ NY plates windows smashed and tires cut after games where the sux, er sox, lost

never saw anything like that in NY

as to the caps, its just because the redsox won 2 whole times in the last 3/4 of a century. wow... thats like being as good as the phillies or something
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05/15/2008 Craig "Cappy" C. says:

Hey Fuck you from Boston!!!    

off to pahk my caaah.
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05/15/2008 Eugene B. says:

My Japanese softball team are 1/2 die hard Red Sox fans from Mass. and the other 1/2 are die hard Yankees fans from Long Island, NY. We all get along. Just fun, harmless, trash talking when we drink after. You should see us practice at Randall's Island. 10 little asian dudes on the field with Yankees or Red Sox hats. At the end of the day, we all support and are big fans of Dice-K, Godzilla, Wang, Hideki Okajima...Kei Igawa? ehh, not so much. He needs a dental plan.

We have one Mets fan on our team who used to be Kaz Matsui's interpreter/translater for the Mets. He said Pedro Martinez has the biggest dong on the team. He wasn't trying to look, but it was like an elephant in the room.

Me? I front like a fugazi like Tom Brady and wear a Yankees hat to blend in the city with my asian girlfriend who looks like a horse. hee- haw! hee-haw!
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05/15/2008 Sami "HESMOVEDON" W. says:

Hey Craig, way to go man, at least we agree on one thing, right!!!
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05/15/2008 Amanda "Wants to be back at Camp" H. says:

As a diehard Red Sox fan, I admit, I own a Yankees Suck tshirt.  But granted, I bought it while in high school, and haven't worn it in years.

It's mostly the ya doods that make both Red Sox AND Yankees fans some of the most hated fans in all of baseball.  I came to NYC a few years ago, wore my Red Sox hat all weekend, and no one ever said anything.  In fact, while at the top of the Empire State Building, one of the guys that worked there said he was a Red Sox fan.  I'm embarrassed by a lot of stupid Red Sox fans, especially bandwagon fans that decided to become fans after the Red Sox started to win.  But I think it goes both ways.  There was certainly an influx of Yankees fans everywhere since they were winning so much before.

Granted, I hate the Yankees, but I have friends that are Yankees fans as well.  If I ever heckle, it's all in good fun, and I would never do anything to hurt anyone, even if they are Yankees fans.  It's certain types of Red Sox AND Yankees fans that tarnish the reputation of all fans....
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05/15/2008 Alex "Prom Queen" R. says:

Ha...Matt, that Manny play was one of the best things I've ever seen.  Fixed link:
http://tinyurl.com/5mwmym

(Hi New York!  Boston Yelp here!  No, too many Sox fans are complete assholes.  Sorry about them.  Particularly in the bleachers.  Those of us who are civilized think that the rivalry is supposed to be fun.)
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05/15/2008 Matt "Day man, fighter of the night man" E. says:

I can't stop laughing at the Manny Ramirez play. it's awesome.
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05/15/2008 Matthew "The Sweet Titz" S. says:

when does football start?
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05/15/2008 Mr. Mojo R. says:

Hi Jeff

guilty as charged about my 'courteous' typo- But 'massholes' is not a typo..
Massholes=assholes from Massachusetts. (Being from MA, I have a few in my family)
I'm dying to see a game down in Yankee Stadium-
It's a drag the Dodgers left Brooklyn- they were such a great team..Who were the arch rivals of the Brooklyn Dodgers back in the 50s?
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05/15/2008 Mr. Mojo R. says:

I wonder if the Manchester United vs Liverpool soccer rivalry in Englad is anywhere near as venemous as the Red Sox vs NY Yankess baseball rivalry in the US? As for us football, the Minnesota Vikings vs Greenbay packers rivalry can get intense- I lived in st Paul for a year, and drove through Wisconnisin wearing a Vikings t-shirt- at least 2 guys in Green Bay swore at me..
An English friend asserts if you visit Liverpool wearing a Manchester United shirt, it might be some time before the authorites ever find your body...
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05/15/2008 Mr. Mojo R. says:

Bugger! England, not Englad-sorry for the typo
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05/16/2008 Alex "Prom Queen" R. says:

As a Liverpool fan, yes: it's that venomous.
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05/16/2008 matthew "rehab is for quitters" h. says:

my mom is an honorary lifetime member of manchester u.... but she never took advantage of the fact... grrrrr

(she was the doctor who worked on matt busby after the german plane crash)
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05/16/2008 Mr. Mojo R. says:

I have to confess, I'm a Liverpool fan- I mentioned that in a casual coversation to a MU fan, and they scowled at me...
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05/17/2008 Sienna K. says:

The Dodgers' rivals back then were the same rivals they have now-- the Giants.

The Dodgers-Giants rivalry is one of baseball's oldest rivalries, and if I'm correct, the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants moved out of NY the same year. And that's why the Giants are called the Jints, because no one in California actually has that accent.
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05/17/2008 Sienna K. says:

On that note, which baseball rivalry is the oldest? Yankees-Red Sox, Dodgers-Giants, or Cubs-Cardinals?
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05/21/2008 Peter M. says:

I hate the douche bags in my neighborhood (brooklyn) who walk around in B hats. Go back to boston.

Yet, no one says anything to them, and will even show the redsox game at the bar if they request. If the roles were reversed, and I was walking around some residential part of Boston in a Yankee hat, I am pretty sure I would get an endless amount of shit.

I hope the celtics lose just for the fan base. The Patriots losing was GREAT! again just for these stupid fans.
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05/21/2008 karen "vanilla bean" g. says:

Boston fans are the most obnoxious and rude people on the planet. After living in Boston for 7 years, I can safely say that with full confidence.

Red Sox fans make hardcore Yankee fans look like they just graduated from finishing school and are going to Breakfast at Tiffanys compared Boston fans.

I used to walk home from work whenever there was a Sox game because taking the T home was a non-option with all the Douches McBagersons coming in from Quincy for the game. *gag*

I too got a tickle in my knickers when the Patriots lost. Muahahahahaha!
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05/21/2008 Karen "Sweeney" M. says:

Cubs-Cardinals (St Louis Browns/White Stockings) and Dodgers-Giants rivalries date from the 1880s. Yankees/Red Sox rivalry dates from the very early 20th century in the Highlanders/Americans days, but you can attribute it to a number of factors, including the sale of Babe Ruth in 1919. If you are interested, a good book is "Summer of '49" by David Halberstam.
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05/21/2008 Adrian B. says:

" An English friend asserts if you visit Liverpool wearing a Manchester United shirt, it might be some time before the authorites ever find your body. "

The Arsenal vs Spuds rivalry is a lot tenser than Man U and the Scallys
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05/21/2008 Brad V. says:

I think it goes both ways.  I grew up in MA and went to school in Boston and have lived out here for 7 years.  I go to Yankee stadium everytime the Red Sox are in town, and the fans are mostly decent with a couple exceptions.  When the Yanks are winning in a blow out you can count on some jeering (not all of it good natured) from the drunker crowd members.  If you're completely decked out in Red Sox gear chanting "Jeter Sucks!" you WILL get a reaction and probably some food or drink thrown at you.  In which case you kind of brought it on yourself.  I would say the same rules apply to Yanks fans in Fenway.  If the Red Sox are having a good year, you can count on more Red Sox fans in Yankee stadium and less jeering.  If college is in session, you can count on a higher number of Yankee fans in stands.
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05/21/2008 Joe "you shut your mouth when you're talking to me" O. says:

Similarly - I can't even step foot in Ohio.  I don't hate just OSU I hate the entire state!!  I will start shit with a 65 yr old dude wearing a Buckye sweatshirt in Hawaii.  Fun.
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05/21/2008 George "Georgie boo boo" L. says:

Never understood why people have to get all nasty to each other over a sports team...
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05/21/2008 MR. "BIG BLAKTINO" G. says:

i'd just like say to all the haters......fuck you very much!
when shit was going good for you there were plenty of shit talkin yankee fans in Boston gloating and bragging about their team. if you want to be mad at anybody, be mad at steinbrenner and cashman.
and what the fuck do the Celts or Pats have to do with the Red Sox / yankees rivalry anyway?
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05/21/2008 Sienna K. says:

"and what the fuck do the Celts or Pats have to do with the Red Sox / yankees rivalry anyway?"

Same Masshole fans.
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05/21/2008 matthew "rehab is for quitters" h. says:

hey blaktino  - i'll still talk shit about the red sox, even when my team is in the basement

call me when you guys break double digits in the world series win column
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05/22/2008 Brad V. says:

I live pretty far down in Brooklyn and always thought of it more as Mets territory, but I always seem to get a reaction when I wear Red Sox gear.  During the 2003 season I was wearing a Pedro Martinez shirt to go pick up a pizza I ordered and got a "F_ck You" in what amounted to a 3 block walk.  A couple months ago I was wearing my Sox hat while shopping at Circus Fruits and an agitated 50 year old woman asked me "what's up with the Red Sox hat?"  She was nice about it though when I explained I grew up there and was not a defector.  Think most people understand the loyalty thing.

You do seem to see a lot more hats around NYC these days.  Used to be the only people here who would wear the hats were of Dominican Republican heritage.  I lived in Boston when Pedro first came to town and those guys would show up in force for his starts.  I sat next to the guy who used to wear the Yoda mask and bang the drum during his starts one game.  It was awesome.  Since Manny and Ortiz have come aboard, I think the Red Sox will continue to be the team people from the DR support.  I'm not sure if it is still like it was in the late 90's but the DR community totally revitalized the fan atmosphere at the games.  I get the feeling with tickets being as hot as they are in Boston they have been pushed out by a lot of the corporate ticket/ Masshole element.

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