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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

you answered your own question "I've just started coming out to WP/B over the past year and a half, but it isn't much different than LV/LP." ... it did used to be very different, and now is turning into lincoln park clones and drones

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7/15/2008 Jerry M. says:

At least this isn't a city/suburbs thread.

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7/15/2008 Craig B. says:

Asshole Hipsters mostly.

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7/15/2008 Lauren "Order" H. says:

People like to have something to hate on.
I live in LP, and while I wish it were more diverse, I like many things about it (being by the lake and parks, the zoo, close to work, etc). I understand it isn 't for some people. And I don't tend to go out there at night much b/c it isn't my scene.
Different strokes for different folks.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

and you just dissed on one of the older establishments in the neighborhood--Piece.. yet probably don't even know what "style" the pizza is

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7/15/2008 Amy "Fun Amy" S. says:

Actually I did not diss on their pizza, just their sauce.

7/15/2008 Joe C. says:

the only park, is Rogers Park.

northsiyeeeeeeeeeeed!

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7/15/2008 brennan "Green is the only color that matters" s. says:

Gotta go LP. I just can't troll my way down 40 floors looking for trixies that can't handle their keys in WP/B as of yet.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

i see. so you diss on the sauce of a place where their specialty isn't even a sauced pizza... :]

...just curious, what crap music were you playing at the Flat Iron that you pissed the bartender off so much he shut off the jukebox?? maybe he can answer why LP is worth hating on

though none of the above really answers your question... you asked why people diss on lincoln park... i'm sure there are a million reasons, but a short list might include that it's full of 20 something wannabees driving cars they lease, spending money they didn't earn (or don't have), and doing their best to fit in and look just like everyone else...

anyway, you gave the boundary a raving review saying you didn't understand why people didn't want this bar in the neighborhood, that it belongs in wrigleyville... if you really don't understand.. dot dot dot... many think you're part of the problem.

hey, you asked.

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Jaysus.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

carimeneyyy

7/15/2008 Joe C. says:

*gapes, jaw dropping*

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7/15/2008 Rhonda "you can't catch me, i'm the gingerbread man" G. says:

I'm afraid of Dane:)

7/15/2008 Joe C. says:

Dane is my new hero, and I fucking mean it.

unapologetic is the new black, so suck it LP!

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7/15/2008 Aaron D. says:

Lincoln Park/Lakeview has effectively assimilated Wicker Park. Not much diversity left in the old Six Corners. The hipsters in WP are essentially yuppies who ride neon bicycles instead of driving BMW's. Not much at the heart of either neighborhood anymore. Mostly people showing off to puff up their egos and increase their stock among their respective groups of friends. Maybe try Bridgeport or Hyde Park.

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7/15/2008 Amy "Fun Amy" S. says:

Dane, I appreciate your response. Thanks.

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7/15/2008 Jerry M. says:

I kinda want Dane to rip on me - let's see what kind of shit he'll say about me that'll make me feel like a very small person.

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7/15/2008 Amy "Fun Amy" S. says:

I appreciate all the responses :)

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7/15/2008 Ryan "It was the egg rolls, not the ecstasy" K. says:

I used to live in Bucktown and now live in LP. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with that cavalcade of hipster bikers. The ones that won't let cars cross the street. Oh man. So glad to not have to deal with that anymore.

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7/15/2008 Craig B. says:

As a LV rez... I am worried about what Dane will say about me... I am afraid, someone please hold me.

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7/15/2008 Mike T. says:

Both neighborhoods can suck it.

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7/15/2008 Rhonda "you can't catch me, i'm the gingerbread man" G. says:

As an LV rez you shouldn't have a problem finding someone to hold you Craig :)

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

And to think, Dane is so sweet and boyish-faced in person. I love it!

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

I accidentally got off at Division yesterday and then remembered I had to go to the alderman's office, so I took Milwaukee all the way up to Western. I can't believe the death wish some of these peeps seem to have. Not even the fast ones, just random bikers that see no reason not to blow the light.

Personally, I think the two neighborhoods are becoming extremely similar. There really isn't much left that greatly distinguishes the two. About 14 years ago, I remember LP had a bunch of pre-hipster coffee shops. They're now more corporatized retail shops/restaurants. The same thing is quickly happening in Bucktown/WP.

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

I also agree that the Wicker Park / Bucktown area is becoming eerily similar to Lincoln Park. It's not there yet, but it's getting close.

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7/15/2008 Richard H. says:

Both hoods are turning out to be very similar lately, but Wicker Park isn't quite as saturated with people. To each is there own on this topic.

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

Alderman Flores, Matt? I cannot stand that guy, but that's an entirely different thread.

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Manny the Man.

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7/15/2008 mary "everyone in. nobody out." e. says:

I've thought a lot about why I dislike certain hoods. In addition to some of the reasons you guys gave, here is my #1 Hood Hater:

It doesn't feel like a community. That's why I'm not really fond of certain neighborhoods like WP, LP, etc. It just seems like so many of the people are so transient...people just come and go with such frequency. I dunno. I hate to generalize but that's my gut speaking.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

but i like lakeview craig :p

i don't necessarily dislike LP (and really, i'm not against gentrification of other areas), but i also don't think every neighborhood needs to be LP, which the residents' don't seem to agree about... thus causing the uproar that it has in WP.. the irony of it all is why the trixies have moved out of LP in the first place... it's not that they don't like LP, it's that the trixie lifestyle is too expensive for them to actually fulfill it while living in lincoln park so they go around altering other neighborhoods to fit their needs

awww, i am sweet on here too!

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7/15/2008 brennan "Green is the only color that matters" s. says:

Hmm. If the Volkswagens are now BMWs in LP, then what will the "BMW" of bicycles be in WP/B?

I've also come to learn that wealthy people bathe in money and thus develop subconscious forms of communication that begin with a scowl. I've almost figured out the "I have an American Express Black Card" look.

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

I completely understand what you're saying, Mary! I recently moved to UK Village and while the neighborhood has a lot of the commercialism of WP and such, I actually feel like I'm living in a neighborhood, not a concrete highway. Most of the blocks in my near vicinity are filled with homes, not condos and apartments. There's lots of trees. I have a big backyard with a rose garden. It's pretty sweet. And I'm still a stone's throw from bars and diners. I feel like I have the best of both worlds.

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

I know you're sweet, too, Dane. I appreciate that you can be a bulldog when you need to, though!

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7/15/2008 Lauren "Order" H. says:

I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but not everyone in LP is a student or a trixie. My block is filled with families and homes.

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

Lauren, you're a liar. We all know you're blonde, orange-tan, and wear those cute little cloth shorts that say "BUMP IT" on the bottom. Admit it now.

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7/15/2008 Lauren "Order" H. says:

Philip, they say "juicy".

ew, I can't even type that without gagging.

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

And here we are back to square one. The trixie gag reflex is just too high.

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7/15/2008 Johnny "Cool" B. says:

wickah wickah park y'all, it's all good y'all.

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7/15/2008 brennan "Green is the only color that matters" s. says:

[My block is filled with families and homes.]

One block? You charlatan! I refuse to accept this unverifiable claim of families and homes existing in LP.

;)

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7/15/2008 Hollie "beerfly" S. says:

[ Most of the blocks in my near vicinity are filled with homes, not condos and apartments. There's lots of trees. I have a big backyard with a rose garden. It's pretty sweet. And I'm still a stone's throw from bars and diners.]

I have those things too, and I'm on the (apparently awful) north side of Division.

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7/15/2008 Ryan "It was the egg rolls, not the ecstasy" K. says:

I live around Clark and Webster. Beauitful tree covered streets. Nice homes. Lot of kids running around. It's a nice area.

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7/15/2008 Phillie "free art" P. says:

Eh. Let's just make fun of Glencoe.

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7/15/2008 Filly "I Dream Big" G. says:

Your life obviously sucks, Hollie. I would feel bad for you if I didn't think you were a sucker for moving north of Division.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

Omgggggawww the north side of division???

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7/15/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

As someone who has been living in East Village (Wicker Park South ;) for six years, and as one who has been familiar with the neighborhood since 1991 (my roommate back around then worked in Wicker Park so I remember quite well the 'good old days' of Urbis Orbus and Busy Bee's Cheap Polish food, and listening to random gunfire while drinking beer in my friend's apartment) I can honestly say that there isn't that much difference now between Wicker Park and Lincoln Park, and those who are convinced otherwise are usually 20 something hipsters who are too scared to hang out in Pilsen so they try to convince themselves that Wicker Park is edgy and artsy while hanging out in front of the new Marc Jacobs store.

I agree with Mary though about the transient nature of both neighborhoods, I find it annoying too, but I love my street, apartment, and landlord, so I don't see myself moving anytime soon. Also, I have to admit, there are some upsides to finding myself living in "Lincoln Park West" after all these years of living in neighborhoods that weren't all that trendy or hip (like Albany Park), so I can't be bothered losing sleep over it.

And finally, as a bit of an ex-punk, I find hipsters less annoying that sorority girls, they are pretty much both different sides of the same coin. However, I get less flack for being a White Sox fan by the hipsters here in Wicker Park than I would if I lived in Lincoln Park, so it has that going for it ;)

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7/15/2008 Hollie "beerfly" S. says:

And you guys can't come over either!!!!1

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

well fine hollie, i'm having a party and YOU ARE NOT INVITED then

neaner neaner...

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7/15/2008 mary "everyone in. nobody out." e. says:

I'm dog sitting in UK Village right now and I really like the neighborhood. I'm so bummed I'll have to leave in a week and return to Belmont Craigin...shudder...but it is a real neighborhood...

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7/15/2008 Hollie "beerfly" S. says:

My party will be better than your party! My party will have... It will...have... It will be a shorter walk to and from the Blue Line!

Unless you live by the Division stop, in which case, disregard.

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7/15/2008 Natalie "will work for sleep" R. says:

I just wish the real estate agents would stop trying to dress up Humboldt Park by calling my block "Bucktown West" and "Wicker Park East" or whatever.

It's Humboldt, mmkay? Stop putting up condos for troll-faced Barbie and Ken duos with matching Oompa Loompa Syndrome.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

ohhhh noos you dident

i live farther, much farther. i don't like living near that riff raff!

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7/15/2008 Amy "Fun Amy" S. says:

Can't we all just love the fact that we all live in Chicago?

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7/15/2008 Hollie "beerfly" S. says:

Well, maybe Amy has a point. I mean, we DO both live walking distance from Tecatecatecatecateca.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

nosss amy, i don't like chicagos anymore

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7/15/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Mmmm.... margaritas.

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7/15/2008 Brent "______/\_______\o/____" B. says:

"I just wish the real estate agents would stop trying to dress up Humboldt Park by calling my block "Bucktown West" and "Wicker Park East" or whatever."

I'm curious how far they stretch that -- anything west of Western is either Humboldt (which is most of where the real estate misnomer shenanigans occur) or Logan Square, depending where you're at. How many blocks west of Western are they still calling it "West Wicker Park" or "West Bucktown"?

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7/15/2008 Craig B. says:

Humboldt... now there's a REAL neighborhood

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7/15/2008 Amy "Fun Amy" S. says:

Dane, can we be friends?

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7/15/2008 Krsna "wandering" V. says:

[i live farther, much farther. i don't like living near that riff raff!]

no you didn't call my hood riff raff. How many times do I have to tell you that my neighbors were stupid enough to pay a million for their house?

Hollie, we all live near tecatecateca... including Matt.

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7/15/2008 amy "g $" g. says:

a day in the life of a wicker park/ bucktown trixie:

--brunch at bongo room, hot chocolate, or feast.
--sunbathe at north avenue beach (the only time of the year worth venturing on the north ave bus.)
--shop north damen still in juicy sweat shorts/flip-flops/headband/ and HUGE sunglasses searching for perfect hussy top for forth coming night of ho-baggin. the recent addiiton of 'bebe' makes this task immensely more efficient.
--bar hopping! boundary, moonshine, tavern, cans, etc

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

I'm moving about 300 feet from Technomon! East Village ftw. That will be my Las Palmas. Cleo's, I'm going to call you The Northside. Tuman's, you're Blue Line. Sorry Darkroom, but you have to be Pint. Club Foote is Plan B, because it's a little of the beaten path.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

i guess Amy. if you buy me a white clam & bacon pizza from piece and bring it over tonight...

oooooh vamsi. :] but what about the riff raff that hangs out in the little triangle park next to division?

is it a frame house or brick? the land alone is probably at least 400-500

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7/15/2008 Mike T. says:

[searching for perfect hussy top for forth coming night of ho-baggin.]

ahahahaha! I love when women go out 'ho-baggin'

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

there's a bebe now?

oh boy this is much worse than anticipated.

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Dance, you mean that rotting log in the middle of a patch of overgrowth where Wolcott turns? I call that the public park.

High Dive is my new Cans. I need a suitable replacement for Tavern though. Any ideas?

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7/15/2008 Krsna "wandering" V. says:

Dane, the riff raff that hangs out in that triangle is actually a mixture of homeless people, male prostitutes, and loonies. Sometimes you'll see Matt L in his drunken stupor break dancing with the male prostitutes.

It is a frame house... and it is 2 blocks from the riff raff.

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7/15/2008 Krsna "wandering" V. says:

btw, Dane, there is plenty of riff raff around where you live. what you talking aboot?

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7/15/2008 brennan "Green is the only color that matters" s. says:

[How many blocks west of Western are they still calling it "West Wicker Park" or "West Bucktown"?]

Who cares? I'm going to start marketing my Chicago properties as West Great Britain just for the currency exchange perks.

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7/15/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

[High Dive is my new Cans. I need a suitable replacement for Tavern though. Any ideas?]

Shit Fountain?

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Courtney, you're too fresh for this game. After Charleston it's Zakopane for you.

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7/15/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

Heh, I love that fountain. My eight year old nephew thinks it is the best thing ever.

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7/15/2008 Bess R. says:

has anyone heard the term "Wixies"? I heard it a few weeks ago in reference to these ho-baggin ladies of whom you speak...

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

lol. no shortage of riff raff over this way... ;p

male prostitutes????

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

i've heard wixies tossed around... i first heard it a few years back at a friend's house, who claims to have invented the term Trixie... (and it's debatable if he did, but he certainly did popularize it when he started the lincoln park trixie society)... we were debating on a whole bunch of names and what trixies in wicker park were called.. there was another term that was both offensive and cool, but i can't remember what the hell it was.

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7/15/2008 Ryan "It was the egg rolls, not the ecstasy" K. says:

I lived on Washtenaw for a little while. Just south of Armitage. The west bucktown title isn't quite there yet, but its slowing working its way west. I think it's made its way to Rockwell, but that was last summer...

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7/15/2008 Patricia "PJ" K. says:

What this seriously comes down to is the fact that people always want to believe that their neighborhood, or the neighborhood they find themselves in most often, is the best. It is a total superiority complex.

But what everyone forgets is that what is "best" for one is not always for another. These two neighborhoods are still a part of Chicago. They share a lot of similarities because they are apart of a whole. What makes them different is the crowd they cater to. The hipster crowd vs the young professionals crowd. The 30s crowd vs the 21 crowd.

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7/15/2008 Erin "Hardy" P. says:

Can someone define (for the newbie) the word "trixie"?

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7/15/2008 Jenn H. says:

Trixie: http://www.urbandictio...

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7/15/2008 Mike T. says:

Trixie is an actual name for a female. I worked with someone who's given name was Trixie and she did fit the stereotype.

I'm sure people can come up with something more clever than Wixie, considering it doesn't make that much sense, even if I do get it.

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Erin:
http://www.urbandictio...
They seem to have eliminated the better definitions that involve clothing and automobiles. Maybe google Lincoln Park Trixie? "Chad" is the male counterpart.

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7/15/2008 Erin "Hardy" P. says:

hahah Thanks!

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7/15/2008 Mike T. says:

And what good are 'Trixie's' without 'Chads'
http://www.urbandictio...

let the broad strokes continue...

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

This is better...
http://en.wikipedia.or...
http://en.wikipedia.or...

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7/15/2008 Erin "Hardy" P. says:

So do people take serious offense to being called a "Chad' or a "Trixie"? Or is it just a term you can throw around?

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

http://web.archive.org...

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7/15/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Erin - It's certainly not a compliment.

Matt - How about you just host a hipsterriffic bar crawl?

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Erin, use liberally. When unsure whether someone fulfills trixie/chad status, call them douche bags.

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7/15/2008 Hollie "beerfly" S. says:

The only person I know named Chad isn't a Chad at all.

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7/15/2008 Jessie B. says:

LOL I love using the word "trixie" or "Chad". My favorite!

I live one block west of Rockwell off of North Ave, and there is a giant condo building coming along. My neighbors and myself aren't too keen on having wixies move in. I have lived on this street for about 4 years now. I hate that what it is becoming. Can't people stay away from Humboldt Park.

Oh yeah..what Natalie said before about real estate agents saying things like "West Wicker Park" or "East Humboldt Park" what is wrong with just Humboldt Park? I love where I love. Of course you have some riff raff, but that is clearly going to happen!

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7/15/2008 sean "loves to dangle my participle" p. says:

The only true place to be is Andersonville.......Sunshine, rainbows and blue birds over this way.

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7/15/2008 Jessie B. says:

Andersonville has a lot of crazies running around when the sun goes down.

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7/15/2008 Erika V. says:

I miss the days when Chicagoans made fun of BERWYYYN!

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7/15/2008 Jessie B. says:

Or Evanston.

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7/15/2008 sean "loves to dangle my participle" p. says:

This is true Jessie....the freeks do come out at night

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7/15/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

I'd venture to say Uptown has more crazies running around at night, with all those halfway houses and all.

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7/15/2008 Jennifer "Difficult to Please" H. says:

What are "hipsters" exactly?

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7/15/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

You know, they're those people who shop at American Apparel and drink PBR and say "rad" a lot.

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7/15/2008 Jay "Likes ice cream" W. says:

Hipsters are still new enough to me that I crack a smile when I spot one, especially if it's 100% hipster. A rare spotting for me.

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7/15/2008 Izzy N. says:

they look like this:http://www.fashionshan...

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7/15/2008 Izzy N. says:

http://lifeinservice.f...

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7/15/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Izzy, I don't know if I'd agree with that but I guess that's the joy of vague categories.

Does everyone have their Hipster Bingo cards ready for Pitchfork this weekend?

http://www.catbirdseat...

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7/15/2008 Tommy "The Boss of the Sauce" M. says:

Seriously? I'm going to read the whole thread, but this is almost as pointless as a Cubs vs. Sox thread.

People have their preference, who gives a rat's ass? Then again, I live in Downers Grove, what do I know.

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7/15/2008 Tommy "The Boss of the Sauce" M. says:

Correction: I'm NOT going to read the whole thread.

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7/15/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Thanks for clarifying Tommy.

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7/15/2008 Dane K. says:

i think it was less about preference tommy... maybe the point is some really silly people are so new to the scene they don't even understand the difference... and thus that pisses people off

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7/15/2008 Jay "Likes ice cream" W. says:

I thought those were Emos. Hipsters wear makeup too? Lame. Doesn't that second guy look like he's just asking to get slapped around?

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7/15/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

I didn't want to bring the E word into it but that was my inclination, as well. Crazy kids these days with their angst and their sulking!

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7/15/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Who are the teddy boys? Who are the mods? Who are the rockers? Who are the beatniks? Fuck the hippies. Who are the punks? Who are the skins? Who are the no-wavers? New-wavers? Neu-new-wavers? Who are the rude boys? Where have all the rude boys gone? Who are the b-boys? What's Krishnacore? Who are hessians? Who are the hipsters?

Like I've said on all of the other threads about hipsters, Dick Hebdige's "Subculture: The Meaning of Style" is kind of mandatory reading for the subject.

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7/15/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

On the topic of Emos, are we talking about
...late-80s DC hardcore Fugazi emo kids
...the early-90s San Diego junkie emo kids
...the mid-90s beard-clad Mike Kirsch emo kids
...the late-90s "We Wanna Be Sunny Day Real Estate" emo kids
...the early-00 Saddlecreek bullshit emo kids
...the mid-00 "Let's switch places with goth and forget anything Ian Mackaye ever did" My Chemical Romance emo kids
...or this contemporary Fall Out Boy tripe that's on the radio today?

Because they're all really, really, really different from each other.

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

aaaand that's why I didn't want to say the E word.

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7/16/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

I always liked the quip that contemporary emo was just goth with less make-up and less teased hair. And having seen both Fugazi and Sisters of Mercy in concert back in my day, I believe there is an element of truth to that statement.

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

These wolves are totally mod:

http://video.google.co...

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7/16/2008 Mik "I want to help you find a new home!" W. says:

Why do we have this thread every year?

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7/16/2008 Erin "Hardy" P. says:

Dane- not trying to be new and silly, just trying to understand you Chicagoians and your slang.

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7/16/2008 G S. says:

"Why do we have this thread every year?"

And, to think, we could be discussing other more meaningless topics like, say, the different approaches our presidential candidates are taking regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...

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7/16/2008 Natalie "will work for sleep" R. says:

How many blocks west of Western are they still calling it "West Wicker Park" or "West Bucktown"?
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Well, the street banners say "Logan Square" and "Humboldt Park" but the real estate signs say "West Bucktown" right up to Sacramento and Kedzie.

It's not only annoying, but calling this neighborhood by those more harmless neighborhood monikers is bringing in a bunch of dim bulbs who are shocked - SHOCKED! - to see signs of gang activity. Didn't they get it when their real estate agent gifted them a sandblaster at the closing of their overpriced one-bedroom condo?

One of them is trying to chase away our neighborhood's lady of the night. That stilt-jointed train wreck is the only thing that brightens my day sometimes.

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7/16/2008 Natalie "will work for sleep" R. says:

We have this thread every year because someone moves from LP to WP and doesn't understand why only half her neighbors like her. After all, they are so similar...

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7/16/2008 Tommy "The Boss of the Sauce" M. says:

"i think it was less about preference tommy... maybe the point is some really silly people are so new to the scene they don't even understand the difference... and thus that pisses people off"

Dane, like I said, who cares? Why do you care if they are "new to the scene" and don't "understand"? Don't understand what?! Let people do what they want, dress like they want, drive what they want. If that pisses someone off, the pissed off person has issues. I don't give a rat's ass what people do. I live my own life, I don't care what the guy next door to me is doing/saying/wearing/driving.

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

Courtney, thanks for the link to the hipster bingo. Everyone should just go into the Whole Foods on Ashland and play. I can't wait to use it at Pitchfork, I'm working at it and I should fill that card up right when I get there.

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7/16/2008 Patricia "PJ" K. says:

Tommy - for someone who is so against this thread, you seem to be checking back often.

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7/16/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

I don't need Pitchfork for hipster bingo. I can sit on my stoop and fill out the card in its entirety almost every Friday summer night just watching the people who walk (or ride their fixed gears) past my apartment (I live 3 doors down from a bar currently popular with 'em).

However, when i did first see it, I have to admit, I had to email it to my good friend who has a star tattoo, and thus her own special spot in hipster bingo. However, upon discussion, we both decided if we were to have a place on the card, it would probably be on the 'grandpa' square.

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Some of them are a bit outdated (does anyone still wear trucker hats?) but overall it's at least good for a chuckle. I know Pitchfork isn't necessary but festivals like that are amaaaaazing for people-watching. There is a fine line between fashion and costume and that place is ripe with examples of people crossing said line. Last year there was so much lamé, I almost went blind.

Oh, and for a good example of a hipster, just look at Matt L. He is the hippest of the 'sters.

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7/16/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

JJ, because you're "so over" hipsters...

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7/16/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

I think the trucker hat trend has moved onto the Lincoln Park crowd?

I think since flannel, grunge, and fuzzed-out heaviness is back, it's about time to dust off the old gas station jacket with a Carcass patch on the back. Or sell it on eBay for $$$.

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7/16/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Speaking of which, you old punkers might want to know that a friend of mine sold a Government Issue "Legless Bull" test press 7" on eBay for $800 yesterday. Start unloading now!

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Did someone page me? Sorry, I was busy being a vegan.

I love that they have "8 foot tall guy" on the card.

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7/16/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

"JJ, because you're "so over" hipsters..."

I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm simply having a bit of recounting something that I found amusing. What's your deal?

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

"The Great Wicker Park/Lincoln Park Debate"

This is neither a debate nor great.

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7/16/2008 JAMES "SHAKE & BAKE" M. says:

humboldt park hands down!!

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Don't worry about Vaughn, JJ. He's ironic to the point of not making sense sometimes.

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7/16/2008 Brent "______/\_______\o/____" B. says:

"I think the trucker hat trend has moved onto the Lincoln Park crowd?"

Wait, trucker hats were back in again? I thought we'd gotten rid of them when all the high school kids bought them to copy Ashton Kutcher, who almost certainly got the idea from NY hipsters who were wearing them before that.

The only trucker hats I'd ever consider having are the ones Early Cuyler wears on Squidbillies. I can't believe they don't sell some of those, they're pretty amusing.

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

So you guys are saying my Von Dutch trucker hat is no longer in style? shit.

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7/16/2008 Chris S. says:

Can someone direct me to the neighborhood where the hair metal crew hangs out?

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Hair metal? Talk about ironic Chris!

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Oh wait, this isn't the "Insult the yelper above you" thread, is it?

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7/16/2008 Kim "\m/ \m/" J. says:

Goes both ways. A lot of the people I know in Lakeview/LP do not take kindly to people from WP.

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

True. I know the last time I went to dinner in LP with my (punk-ish looking) mom, I couldn't believe all of the "you look like aliens" death stares we got. It was fun. Makes me want to go back!

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

Start a Professional Chicago kick ball league, with the inaugural season consisting of two teams. The Lincoln Park D-Bags V.S. the Wicker Park Ironic Mustaches. There will be plenty of PBR and Bud light for all. Side line games of bags and Frisbee will also be included. There is also room for expansion depending on the popularity.

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7/16/2008 JAMES "SHAKE & BAKE" M. says:

Yo yo, how about the Humboldt park crowd!

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7/16/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

James - you have to come up with a better name than "Humboldt park crowd' for your team. I mean the "Wicker Park Ironic Mustaches" is pretty appropriate, even for some of the females on the league ;)

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

I walked into a place in LP to buy some newborn clothes for the upcoming birth of my Niece and Nephew. My girlfriend and I were treated (actually not treated) like we were going to steal. Now I live in LP only because it is located near the lake, which I like to walk to every chance I get. The nightlife in this city can be great in any neighborhood, if you know what bars/clubs/lounges to stay away from. Personally, I like the ones that aren't packed with inexperienced drinkers, that is the most annoying of all no matter where you go.

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7/16/2008 JAMES "SHAKE & BAKE" M. says:

the humboldt park nutthugger jean messengers!!???

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7/16/2008 JAMES "SHAKE & BAKE" M. says:

DUDE your a genius!

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

Alright James you're in the league

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

any other neighborhoods want to be represented?

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

I need a River North team. I'm thinking the River North Tight Shirt Guidos could work. Plenty of Jaeger bombs and 'Roid Rage to go around.

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7/16/2008 Brent "______/\_______\o/____" B. says:

Someone can set up a Gold Coast Boner Pill Triangle Gold Diggers squad as well.

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7/16/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Can we have the Uptown Disabled, Retarded, and Straight Up Crazy team?

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

I think we should include the Chinatown WASPs. I mean talk about stereotypes.

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7/16/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Mike T, that doesn't fit. How about the Chinatown Railroad Workers?

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7/16/2008 Kelly "Self-righteous is the new black" G. says:

Vaughn "nary2" C. says:

"Can we have the Uptown Disabled, Retarded, and Straight Up Crazy team?"

sigh.....you just reminded me of how much I miss my old neighborhood. I knew if I ever got bored, I could just walk about a block west to Sheridan and Argyle and watch the show.

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

Sorry Vaughn, bad joke. The Chinatown Mathematicians is already taken by, you guess it, the Math Club. But we can always call them The Chinatown Cleaners.

racism can be fun

To be fair, if we are serious about this kick ball league we can leave out the south side Irish, The Beverly Potato Eating Drunkards.

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7/16/2008 JAMES "SHAKE & BAKE" M. says:

OK WHO would win....
the humboldt park nutthugger jean messengers VS Uptown Disabled, Retarded, and Straight Up Crazy team

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Uptown. Humboldt Park wouldn't be able to run because of the tight jeans.

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

OK so far the teams are:
Lincoln Park D-bags
Wicker Park Ironic Mustaches
Humboldt Park Nuthugger Jean Messengers
River North Guidos
Gold Coast Viagra Triangles
Uptown Retarded Nutbags

Now what about Boystown, Andersonville, Lincoln Square, Logan Square, etc...

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

who would win this one? LP D-bags vs River North Guidos

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

I'm vetoing the River North Guidos. I'm sorry, but I think it should be the River North Chosen People or something.

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The Merrill/Keen/Dansko All-Organic Andersonville Chardonnays.

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

The problem with calling them that Matt is that most of the people that you see in River North nightlife (i.e. Martini Park, Rino, etc.) are just posers from Schuamburg.

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Yeah, that may be true but a large percentage of the actual residents are my long lost relatives from Highland Park. Conduct a survey of nose sizes and/or elective rhinoplasty procedures at Berry Chill or Whole Foods sometime.

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

River North Suburbanites

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7/16/2008 jennifer m. says:

The only people that should truly be upset are the original WP business owners that are being pushed out by all the commercial clone crap (bebe!). I lived in WP 11 years ago..it was cool...but everything changes. Deal.

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7/16/2008 Dane K. says:

yah, cause residents shouldn't care if their neighborhood turns into a clone of the mall of america!

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Wait, there's a roller coaster in WP? Where?!

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Thanks everyone. Courtney will be here all week. Try the fish.

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7/16/2008 Dane K. says:

the el!

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

It's been a long week.

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7/16/2008 Mike T. says:

Good point Matt, and another dead give away is if they introduce themselves as Maury Rosebloom D.D.S.

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7/16/2008 jennifer m. says:

Agreed Dane K..... hi property taxes, suckie biz...it's all really lame. But, a 'who's cooler' competition will not resolve the problem.

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7/16/2008 Shawn "Festizio" C. says:

It may not resolve anything, but everyone can get drunk and have fun while not resolving anything. Just like every day life in this city. Why not bring everyone together to not make a difference.

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Lincoln Park = Friends
Wicker Park = The Wire

We're hardcore on the WWWWest SSSSide.

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

I liked it better when we were talking about kickball.

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7/16/2008 Erika V. says:

Comparing Lincoln Park to Wicker Park is like comparing oranges to tangerines.

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7/16/2008 Chris S. says:

Wicker Park = Friends
Lincoln Park = Scrubs
Roscoe Village = The Stepford Wives
Lakeview = Aqua Teen Hunger Force

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

River North = Nip/Tuck
Gold Coast = Gossip Girl
Clybourn Corridor = Sunset Tan
Old Town = Knight Rider

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7/16/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Well, that one didn't go over so well. I was hoping for at least a 3 LOLer.

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7/16/2008 Justin S. says:

Hyde Park Suicide Brigade: in between the U. of C. beating us down and the constant threat of violent crime, we're suicidal for one reason or another!

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

sorry matt.

omg gossip girl lololololz!

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7/16/2008 Hollie "beerfly" S. says:

Hey! Why do I have to be Friends??

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7/16/2008 Matt "Vermyapre Kommando" C. says:

Vaughn again you are hard at work winning my heart and mind.. btw now IS a great time to unload records. My friend is sitting on a complete Bronson discography including most test presses from his days in suburban hardcore.. hello a few grand. Even gross travel punks wear bronson t-shirts.

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7/16/2008 Jennifer H. says:

can someone just let me in on what a "trixie" in chicago is? i'm just trying to plan a trp there, and figure out the ropes? i keep seeing the word "trixie" sprinkled throught reviews of chicago spots. HELP!

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7/16/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

When in doubt, consult wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.or...

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7/16/2008 Chris S. says:

http://www.urbandictio...

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7/16/2008 Jennifer H. says:

thanks!!

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7/16/2008 Jennifer H. says:

yikes! not so nice!

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7/16/2008 Matt "Vermyapre Kommando" C. says:

Trixie is a term of endearment for the women of chicago. If you get called trixie its a compliment, you should say thank you and tip the person customarily two dollars, although it can be more or less as to how much they compliment you.

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7/16/2008 Jennifer H. says:

Ha ha! Not so fast!

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7/16/2008 Alexis L. says:

Sweet urbandictionary reference. Now I have ammo when my dumbass friends call me a former trixie.

I'm not blonde and I didn't go to a Big 10 school so they can suck it!

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7/16/2008 Jennifer H. says:

ha ha...alexis...one of your pic's captions was the first place i saw trixie! and here you are...

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7/16/2008 Tommy A. says:

LP = Jock/Frat/Sorority Nightmare
WP = Filthy bedheaded 28-year-olds wearing their 10-year-old brother's clothes

LP = No culture
WP = Lots of culture

WP wins for me despite the bedheaded urchins.

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7/16/2008 Mik "I want to help you find a new home!" W. says:

Matt, is that the old Knight Rider or new Knight Rider?

Tommy, I should be insulted by the term "bed-headed urchins" and should publicly admonish you. But I won't. Instead I find your reference imaginative and amusing. You did forget the smell many of the local WP Urchins emanate.

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7/16/2008 Johnny "MW + SW = Awesome Trouble" T. says:

But where can I find the crazy cat lady? Uptown? Edgewater?

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7/16/2008 Johnny "MW + SW = Awesome Trouble" T. says:

And isn't being a Trixie/Chad more of a state of mind than a physical description?

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7/16/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Hey, why don't we invent the Trixster? Or the Hipsxie? Or is blending the gray area too complicated for Yelp?

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7/17/2008 Trinidad "Ugglo" F. says:

i love chicago!!!! woot woot!!!!

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7/17/2008 Zak O. says:

"Trixster"

Isn't that when a Trixie orders a PBR and wears that totally indie-underground-hardcore "Fueled by Ramen" t-shirt while "slumming up" at Goldie's?

Just curious, cause I seem to be seeing that a lot lately.

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7/17/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Ha ha, Zak. I think it's when they order a 40 at the Fifty/50.

Vaughn is a total Chadxter.

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7/17/2008 Mike T. says:

[LP = Jock/Frat/Sorority Nightmare]

I love when adults still label people 'jocks.'

dude, how many years ago did you graduate high school? let it go man, let it go.

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7/17/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

I prefer the term "jacques." It's much more sophisticated and sounds better with my gold lamé strap.

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7/17/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

There's also hipster chad, which is a "Hipsad." Sad because they're slightly behind the times. Just slightly, though.

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7/17/2008 Courtney "Sheriff of Stationery Village" B. says:

Or what about chadxie? You know, for those times when you can't quite tell...

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7/17/2008 Marco "I'll yelp your ass" D. says:

Wicker Park = Lincoln Park.

End of discussion.

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7/17/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

What about "Trixleader" to define a girl that won't come to terms with the fact that she's not in high school anymore?

Btw, I walked by Rodan last night and saw the sorriest looking group of wannabe hipster chicks outside. It was like they really tried hard to fit a certain mold, but didn't have the experience to make it happen. Sad. Really sad.

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"It was like they really tried hard to fit a certain mold, but didn't have the experience to make it happen."

You've uncovered some truth here...I'm just...not sure what...

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7/17/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Matt, when they turn down your invitation for a back alley blowjob, sometimes it's for other reasons. There's no need to take it personally.

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7/17/2008 sara "SJ" j. says:

i can only tolerate yuppie, lets pop my collar and gel my hair til it stands like that for weeks type of cats for only so long. lakeview, i think, is better than LP......LP has too many hoity toity tight asses that think their shit doesnt stink. it does. and it smells so bad that is why i stay in bucktown. beautiful, artsy, bucktown. and in LP you have got to stay clear of those mom's....."those" moms.

i mean...wouldnt most people agree it costs a bit more to live in LP than WP/BUCK?

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7/17/2008 Kim "\m/ \m/" J. says:

Bucktown = artsy? That made me laugh.

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7/17/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

I think we've found ourselves a Trixster, y'all!

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7/17/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Shut up guys, she's going to Burning Man and likes Wes Anderson.

Sara, don't worry about these hardcore hipsters. I'll walk the line with you. Then I'll sit on the fence. Then I'll go to a keg party with a toga on.

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7/17/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

I overlooked the Anthony Keidis thing though. That may cost you. Like the time I tried to get everyone to read Adam Levine's book entitled: Subpar Popstar

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7/17/2008 Tina "It's a fricking love fest!" B. says:

The vast, large, massive, bigger, wider, neglected-assed, segregated, did I mention how big it is? rest of the city wishes it had your fucking problems:

"Oh no! Everything is a condo, there's a Starbucks on every block and, yooknowhaa? I'm soo sick of everyone here that just graduated from college! But seriously, seriously guys - Which place with an American Apparel and an Urban Outfitters and a bunch of pretentious bars is cooler? Like, which one has the most ... street cred, y'know? Seriously, this shit consumes me. Is it better when they're right next to each other or when you have to go like a couple blocks in between them? Seriously you guys. Yooo guuuyzzz....come oooonnn. OMG that one block, right next to that other block, but on the other side of it for only like one more block? That is so ghetto! OMG this guy asked me for money there once and I was like, "OMG!""

It's the exact same shit. Get a life. See the rest of the world, hell, just start off by seeing the rest of the city you live in.

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7/17/2008 JAMES "SHAKE & BAKE" M. says:

HUmboldt park Nut hugger jean bike messengers!

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7/17/2008 Erika V. says:

Tina, you rock

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7/17/2008 Matt "ycakes" L. says:

Wicker is all about H, ket, and jenkem. Yeah, google that last one. So true.

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7/17/2008 Johnny "MW + SW = Awesome Trouble" T. says:

WP, Bucktown, LV, LP...what's the difference between red, ruby, crimson and scarlet? Maybe there were vast differences years ago. Now, it's the same song, different karaoke singer. As cities get increasingly expensive, the cultural allure/neighborhood differences dwindles (e.g. Manhattan).

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7/17/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

Yeah, what 80s drug can the young kids take ironically these days? Psych rock seems to be back in, so maybe quads to welcome the rise of Plastic Crimewave Sound? My bet is that all the bike messengers get back into PCP.

7/17/2008 Nick E. says:

"jenkem. Yeah, google that last one. So true."
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Kudos- most disgusting topic of the day. :)

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7/17/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

"My bet is that all the bike messengers get back into PCP."

I wasn't aware that they has stopped being into PCP.

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7/17/2008 Heather Z. says:

"Jenkem is an alleged hallucinogenic recreational drug composed of noxious gas formed from fermented human feces. In the early and mid-1990s, several reports stated that Jenkem was being used by Zambian street children. In November 2007, anecdotal American media reports gave the impression that Jenkem was a popular drug taking hold with American teenagers. Media reports were characterized by disbelief and distaste for the "grossness" of the phenomenon. Since November 2007, no new reports have appeared to corroborate the early speculations."

OMG, I just puked a little. And I could see why that would be popular in WP. Ahahahaha.

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7/17/2008 Mike T. says:

http://www.snopes.com/...

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7/17/2008 Vaughn "doublewhiskeycokenoice" C. says:

JJ, maybe it'll elevate to Angel Dust?

(and here's where my ignorance lies, as Angel Dust is probably milder than PCP)

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7/17/2008 J "Occam's Chainsaw" J. says:

Whatever bike messengers are on, I wish they'd share, I could use a bit of that manic energy, perhaps I'd get around to cleaning my kitchen up if I did.

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7/17/2008 majel "tom to ground control" k. says:

Vaughn, I believe they're the same thing?

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